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19 September 1998, 07:41 AM
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I'm not really good in German....studied some in College. But "frei" = "free", so I wonder if the term "freiherr" is the German equivalent of "esquire", i.e. - a landowner of minor nobility rank.
Omigawd! Now I've opened up a new thread on my poor German knowledge.....gevalt!
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19 September 1998, 02:01 PM
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Chester,
Thanks for the help in German...BTW...you're not the same Chester A. Reilly from TV of the fifties? I loved your show. <G> Mike
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21 September 1998, 02:03 AM
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Hi Peter, call MvR "Freiherr" - thats the correct title. Some German sources were stating that the british nobility has no real equivalent title. The other way around the Prussian nobility used not the title "Baron". |
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23 September 1998, 12:19 AM
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The word BARON sounds like a Dutch word to me. In fact it is a quite common title in the Dutch nobility.
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23 September 1998, 02:49 AM
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Sorry, I have to clarify something: I said that the PRUSSIANS did not use the title "Baron"! There is a difference between PRUSSIAN and GERMAN! Other GERMAN Kingdoms were maybe using the title "Baron" (I had not enough time to look in an encyclopedia).
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23 September 1998, 03:22 AM
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Can I just clarify then?
"Freiherr" is the equivalent of "the honourable" in Britain, and meant that his father was a Baron?
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I looked in an old German encyclopedia. And now I start to become more confused by the explanations of the author!
The french (!) word "Baron" comes from the celtic word "bar", which means "Man" or better "freeborn man". The french word came to Germany and was used as equivalent for the German title "reichsunmittelbarer Freiherr" or "Reichsbaron". This kind of Freiherr had only duties of service for his king or emperor, not for other man of nobility like counts. Later the word "baron" was used sometimes for members of the higher nobility too and sometimes for every man of nobility! Then the encyclopedia stated that the last "true barons" ceased to exist. In the next moment the books is reporting that today (1885!) the word is describing members of the first (=highest) class of the lower nobility in Germany, lowerranking than counts but higher than the others, with other words the title "Freiherr". Now I am tired. Take what you want: Honourable, baron, Freiherr or whatever. I leave this thread. Sincerely Hannes |
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