Rene Fonck's life after the war

Hmm...
Wonder which side of the spectrum you might want to place Robert McNamara. He might not have been a movie star but he sent more Americans home in body bags than anyone else. In any case, the fanatics of the left inevitably meet the fanatics of the right in their journies into darkness. The Tim McVeighs seem to be trying to make up for lost time. As for the French, "government", legitimate or otherwise, doesn't have the same meaning as it does for us. Some of the traitors of the 1939-1940 died terrible deaths under the occupation, and often made the best resistance fighters.

[mike_baram]

Tom,
Not to disparage your opinion, and while I'm in no way trying to defend Macnamara, we need to put things in perspective. History is replete with men who sent thousands of their countrymen to needless deaths....the Battle of Borodino left 75,000 dead French and Russian soldiers. 60,000 British dead in one offensive in 1916.
You don't have to look long to make up a list of villains.
Regards,
Mike

No,you can't judge anyone living in another age by your present values because that's not comparing similar parameters and,more importantly,who the hell are we to say,hand on heart,that our own values today are correct?!The only mistake that Germany made was to lose both the wars.So anybody who had even well-placed admiration for anything German was a traitor(Lindy admired the Stuka......of COURSE he was a traitor!).It was this sort of attitude which spawned a host of anti(or,at the very least,biased)German concepts in all spheres(someone recently referred to that horrendous song by the Royal Guardsmen which sang about the "Bloody Red Baron",which makes Dracula look like Mother Theresa in comparison to Manfred!).Reinout had mentioned this in another thread,and I tend to agree with it totally.One example that springs to mind is the German fighter pilot scores at the end of WWII....despite the meticulous German scoring system,the Allies were loath to accept their veracity.Cheers.Mukund.

[stephen]

Bill... you know, the husband of the president. Sexually disfunctional, FBI-file-pulling draft dodger. That one.

Sorry for the mistaken identity.

[Reinout]

Thanks for your support Mukund!

At least Johnno Johnson was honorable enough to admit that the German pilots scores after WWII were in all probability correct.
Of course he did not check every one of them but he checked Prillers score. At first (in his first book) Johnson did not believe 101 kills could be verified. In his second book he (grudgingly) admitted that each and every one of Prillers confirmed kills were accounted for by Allied records.

Is there a site just like this that deals with WWII aviation?

Kind regards,

Reinout

Hi there,Reinout.I don't know of any site like this on WW II and if there were,I'd love to access it.Can anyone throw any light on this?Cheers.Mukund.

Stephen:

No apology required...and agreement of the cowardly, self-centered, SOB's unworthiness to be C-in-C of even the head-detail is given.

BTW, there is another "Bill" out here asking about a D-VII in Austrailia, so I am gonna hafta change my handle anyway from just plain "Bill" to something else.

I shoulda known you would not insult me in that fashion, pal , and ask your forgiveness.

r/s

Shooter (Bill)

It seems to me that Rene Fonk is often braided for as a traitor for the main reason that he didn't go out and join the resistance the day France capitulated.

As for his friendship with Goering, this can hardly be braided as traitourous behaviour. After all, the years of both men's youths passed during WW1. I am sure they had a few stories ot exchange. I can not see how a few hours in a bar with Goering helped the Nazi cause.

Keith
"An airplane is a collection of spare parts flying in close formation."