MANNOCK MOVIE 'ACE'

30 November 1999, 11:01 AM

GREETINGS!

After having submitted the 1st draft samples of the movie entitled ACE...and having received 'excited reviews' I need some help on a suitable fictional 'enemy pilot' suggestions....what Jasta? he may have flown with, type of plane perhaps ect...

Tally ho !!!

Barrett · 30 November 1999, 04:02 PM

Spider: some command guidance, please. Does your script follow Mannock thru his entire flying career, with N.17s and SE-5s? If so, the duty German presumably also would upgrade, probably from Alb. D.IIIs to D.Vs, maybe to Tripes and D.VIIs. However, Mannock claimed more Pfalzes destroyed than anything else.
Hard to turn up an original angle on the German's background: Geo. Peppard did the poor boy makes good routine in TBM (made REALLY good w/the towel-clad Katie) so a parallel lower-class opponent for Mannock might seem derivative. On t'other hand, a Prussian aristocrat is definitely derivative, so what to do?
Maybe he was an undergraduate beer brewer from Cleveland visiting the grandparents in Der Olt Kountry in 19 und 14...
Among M's real opponents were Jasta B, 20, 47, and 52, though 12 of his destroyed credits were 2-seaters: how about Hein & Schopf of FAA 292, whose LVG he shot down shortly before he was KIA?
The Champlin Museum has Nieuports, an SE-5, and a raft of black-crossed birds. Come visit.

Ira_Silverman · 30 November 1999, 05:44 PM

Barrett:

This month's issue of Aeroplane Monthly makes note that Doug Champlin has his entire fighter collection (25 A/C) up for sale for $23 Million!

Has there been any serious interest?

VBR,

Ira

PeterL · 30 November 1999, 07:28 PM

IMO fictional flying movies are usualy better than factual. For entertainment I'd rather watch Memphis Belle the movie than Memphis Belle the documentary, although the latter is interesting and informative the former has a better story.

Does Mannock's nemesis need to be a person? Couldn't it be fire?

my twopennworth

Peter L

Vigilant · 1 December 1999, 12:14 AM

If you need a German counterpart how about someone who knew Richthofen? Then you could have contrasting scenes where they both learn of MvR's death. Mannock refusing to drink to his memory, and the other chap toasting Germany's greatest in the Geschwader Kasino.

Or von Bertrab??

Regards,
Vigilant

"The scrap took place at 2000 feet up, well within view of the whole front. And the cheers! It took me five minutes to get him to go down, and I had to shoot him before he would land. I was very pleased that I did not kill him. Right arm broken by a bullet, left arm and left leg deep flesh wounds." --

Edward Mannock, describing his encounter with

Joachim von Bertrab

1 December 1999, 04:31 AM

Always new I could rely on you V....

THANKS

SPIDER

Barrett · 1 December 1999, 03:31 PM

Ira & Forumites: Yes, the Champlin collection (about 35 fighter aircraft from Eindekker to Phantom) is for sale with the caveat that it must be kept together. There is serious interest from Scottsdale and Seattle, both venues having qualified organizations to build and fund a new museum to house the collection, with room to grow because other airplanes are inbound (to my knowledge, a P-63 and a reproduction Ki-43 Oscar; maybe more). There's likely to be a decision and announcement by early spring.
"Watch this space."

2 December 1999, 06:07 AM

>There is serious interest from Scottsdale and >Seattle,

Scottsdale in Phoenix, Arizona?

The climate is perfect in Arizona for maintaining old materials, doubt Seattle could boast the same having permanently inclement weather ( worse than Melbourne ) and being on the water.

I found Phoenix to be the most beautiful city I have been to in the US, and other than Sydney one of the most endearing cities, alsoI found Arizona one of the most fascinating states in the US. I hope the collection gets to stay in Arizona, as it will give me more than something to look at each time I travel down there. Scottsdale seemed to be a suburb with plenty of money, hope they are successful.

cam

leo · 2 December 1999, 11:20 AM

I am about as old material as there is around here. Tell me, should I move to Arizona?

leo

Barrett · 2 December 1999, 11:40 AM

Yup, Arizona definitely is the land of preservation for all manner of material, including aged humans. Entire cities are built in the Sonoran Desert wherein the REALLY young sprouts are 55. The cynics among us hold that some folks now living in Sun City West were original residents of the Hopi ruins down around Casa Grande, but that may be slightly exaggerated.
Anyway, yes, we're talking Scottsdale, AZ, as the likely beneficiary of a move by the Champlin Fighter Museum. Phoenix, IMHO, got quite a bit uglier with completion of "BOB" (the REALLY ugly Ball One Ballpark) downtown. The climate, though generally conducive to preservation, can cause problems with materials that dry and crack such as leather & rubber so some aviation items suffer if they're not climate controlled.
For those of you considering moving here, consider that PHX continues growing at an appalling rate for a desert city with limited water resources. Smog increases yearly, as does traffic congestion and urban sprawl. While the winter climate can be tolerable (I was wearing hiking shorts 2 weeks ago), nobody says same of the summer. The record highs are 121 and 122; 110 is typical, and summer lasts about 7 months.
I thank you.