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18 November 1999, 09:02 AM
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I was wondering who shot down the most "fighter planes" in World War I? Who would be the highest scoring ace?
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18 November 1999, 11:13 AM
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This is a disputable point, some say that it was Mick Mannock with a kill score of 70 odd kills-he was said to of givern some of his kill`s to other people in his squadren so it would of took his number of kills well around that of Von Richthofen who had 80 kills. but i think thay both deserve the title of the highest scoreing ace`s.
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18 November 1999, 12:13 PM
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A quick, semi-random look at the GOGS shelf shows the following destroyed/captured credits for fighters:
Udet 43
Bishop 39 (I know, I know)
Lowenhardt 37
Lorzer 36
MvR 33 (Marshall Islands stamps now honor him)
Barker 25
Mannock 24
Fonck c. 21 (French data is extremely rough; often lists only "enemy aircraft")
Italians and Austro-Hungarians had low proportion of single-seat opponents.
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18 November 1999, 12:20 PM
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Are u talking about the most fighter/scout victories accredited to 1 pilot vs 2 seaters? would have to ck on that one....
According to Franks in 'who downed the aces?', the story of Mick giving away victories to rookies , he says, is nonsense. with the system of sharing victories in place, there was no need to do this.
I will hopefully have more info once i get one of his books by Dudgeon.
salute,
Ron F.
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19 November 1999, 01:24 AM
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Mannock did not give victories away, the way i understand it is that he would set up a two seater as a sitting duck by taking out the observer, then leave it to the other pilot to finish the job. From the books i have read that was what he did on the day he died.
Mark
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19 November 1999, 03:11 AM
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Hope this isn't some attempt to create a list of REALLY proficient fighter pilots.
First, ANY two seater was doing work significant to the ground war, and any military pilot would go after one of these first. Shoot down a scout and you remove one or two rifle caliber weapons from the fight; shoot down a two seater and you can blind the batteries of a division.
Second, if you read McCudden's accounts of his lone stalks of two seaters, you know that a well handled two seater is more than an even match for one or two scouts--that was McCudden's opinion, and no one knew more about air warfare than he did.
It's a relatively meaningless debate about stats--like right- vs left-handed aces.
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19 November 1999, 05:58 AM
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While I'm a big fan of the RE8, and even the BE2, I don't think you can say that they were capable of troubling a good scout pilot in the same way as German C types were.
Vigilant
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22 November 1999, 06:47 AM
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Have to agree about the C types, especially compared to the decrepit BE 2c. The RE 8 was not at the top of the list, but gave good account of itself on many, many occasions. The RE 8 is commonly berated when it fact it was an adequate aircraft... at least judging by the men I knew who flew it.
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24 November 1999, 03:33 AM
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I am not compiling a list, I was just wondering who shot down the most fighters, that's all. Do you know for sure what instruments a pilot had in his cockpit, speedometer, something that gives altitude, what excactly?
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