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Old 24 June 1999, 06:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I believe it was "von Richthofen; the legend evaluated" that I was reading in which the author (who is quite Anti-Richthofen I might add) brought up the subject of a German pilot on the western front who was wreaking havoc on the balloon crews in his area of operation. Well, one of the crews got tired of it and struck upon the idea to fill the basket of the balloon up with explosives and set a dummy observer in it. The German pilot came across this balloon one day and attacked it. Just as he was drawing near, the men on the ground detonated the explosives which killed the German pilot. I'm just curious who this pilot was and what unit he was flying with. Also, did other balloon crews try this as well, or was it just seen as a waste of a balloon and a few cylinders of hydrogen?
 
Old 24 June 1999, 06:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This did in fact happen to Lt Rudolf Eshwege who was known as "The Eagle of the Agean".
He served with FA30 primarily in Macedonia. The ballon was his 20th victory but his death precluded him from getting the Pour le Merite.

On the Western front the Brits tried the same thing to notable ace Fredrich Noltenius on Sept 15, 1918. Noltenius was able to get back to base with the majority of the fabric on his D7 burnt off. Hope this helps
 
Old 25 June 1999, 12:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Eschwege didn't harass the crews, he simply tried to down the balloons. What Noltenius did to antagonize the enemy (other than shooting several of them down) I do not know.

I think it's just a good formula to not only remove attackers, but also to discourage other fliers to attack balloons. Not sure about harassing the crews; reality or propaganda? From what I've heard, this trick was used on more fronts than one: Western Front, Greece and Russian Front, so it maybe a coverstory to justify an act that some might call devious and ungentlemanly. Point is, it was war and it was as viable as flak!

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Old 25 June 1999, 07:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Kojack...

You've been reading Bickers' "Von Richthofen" haven't you? Bad boy, bad boy!

That kind of reading could really get you in trouble around here.

VBR,

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Old 25 June 1999, 07:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hehe, it acctually was a gift from my parents, so i guess that redeems me somewhat since I didn't buy it myself. My parents didn't know any better! I guess I should have stopped reading the miniute I saw the line "Pitty he wasn't killed then..."
 
Old 25 June 1999, 10:49 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Actually, I have Bickers. It is not as bad as some people would have you believe. I don't agree with his attitudes or his conclusions. He was a little short on research and made some bold statements but if we always just read things that we agree with then we end up with narrow little minds.

He IS anti Richtoften and that is what gripes some people around here. Personally, I will read anything because I trust myself not to take too much at face value without back up evidence. Anything you can read on WW1 aviation (yes, even Arch Whitehouse) broadens your outlook and your experience of the subject.

Read away (with a careful eye and open mind) and try to get all the evidence you can to form your own considered opinion.

People who blindly support/knock their heros/villans are the real danger to history. Both sides of the argument need to be appreciated. (For instance, read a Muslim account of the glorious "Cruisaders")

Just my considered opinion,

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Old 26 June 1999, 04:06 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Darryl,

You are so right. I've obviously read Bickers myself, and I too took it for face value. I've found it good reading but much of what he laid out regarding his 'anti-Von Rich' and 'yeh-RAF' attitudes made me not want to pick the book back up a couple of times.

Biased was he? I certainly think so, and that alone made it the most difficult reason to agree with him. Aside from that, you're bound to find something interesting that you can research further since Bickers likes to jump from VR to a RAF pilot, back to VR, then to another RAF pilot, then back to VR...you get the picture.

Glad to see that someone around here isn't screaming "heretic" for reading Bickers.

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Old 27 June 1999, 02:43 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Nope,

Screaming "Heretic" is just a sign of the kind of pig ignorance that is the flip side of reading one book and forming your opinion. That's what I love about this forum. Most people (and ALL people who stay for any length of time) usually start a post about a new bit of information with something like "I read the other day........ what do you think?" or " can anyone confirm this?".

That is the sign of healthy opinion forming. We have had a couple of real heretics here from time to time, but most of us wouldn't even waste fire wood on them!!!!

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Old 27 June 1999, 07:51 PM   #9 (permalink)
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hehehe...I haven't personally read the book, but I heard from someone that had, that there was a rather interesting "bold conclusion" in it. Something making reference to what it "obviously meant" for VR to own such a LARGE dog considering his size(!!!) Is this garbage REALLY in there, and if so....even WORSE...what IS he implying!?!?
 
 

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