Billy

[Ginger.]

Why does this name create such venom on these pages?The good guys hate Bishop more than they do the Hun!!!It was the powers that be gave him the VC.Even if at the time they thought his escapades a bit dodgy,the morale factor of a hero should not be underestimated.
Bishop did more than his share so raise a glass to him.On a one man mission he stirs this hornet's nest up like no one else!!!

[Richard_Schrader]

Ginger;
** For my money the Huns were the good guys!
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** Richard

[Ginger.]

Richard.
Stop doing this,when they get you It'ii feel like I've lost my best friend,to quote Roy Brown!!!

[Billy_Bishop]

And to think, if Annie Oakley hadn't been such a good shot, World War One might never have happened.

The only "good guys" who were in WWI were the ones who fought, regardless of which side they were on. The leadership however, was a different story.

However, based on what each side was fighting for(which actually varied by country), I feel that I would support the Entente side more than the Central Powers.

VBR,

Al Lowe
(Raising a WHOLE pint of WoodPecker's English Cider to Billy every day of my life to thank him for what he did in both World Wars, which was considerable. Those of you who feel otherwise, that's your problem, not mine.

[Ginger.]

Al.
No ones took the bait,looks like they've been licked this time.

[Richard_Schrader]

Hocke Der Kaiser!
Richard

Ginger,
I have just been watching the PBS series on the Great War. It would seem that we have many modern day German apologists that inhabit these hallowed halls. I'll put it like this, Germany wanted a small war to happen between Austro-Hungary and Serbia, they knew that it would lead to a general war, and when Russia mobilized her armies, that gave them the convenient excuse to sell the German populace on a glorious war. The Kaiser was to much of a spineless wimp to stop his Imperial German staff from pushing the country into war.

Of course the apologists here will dispute this, but I offer as evidence of this the following conversation between Prince Lichnowsky (former German ambassador to Great Britain) and Count Leopold von Berchtold (former Austro-Hungarian foreign minister). It occured in the summer of 1926 in the Tyrolian town of Meran. Lichnowsky was trying to avoid Berchtold because the latter was despised as 'the irresponsible grand seigneur who had set Europe aflame by declaring war on Serbia twelve years earlier.'

In his own country, Lichnowsky was almost as despised as Count Berchtold because he had publicly declared that Germany's handling of the July crisis of 1914 had been a disaster. Lichnowsky never forgave the "criminal idiocy" of his government's stubborn support of Austria-Hungary, and he regarded Berchtold as the man who had dragged Germany into the Great War.'

'Berchtold could see that Lichnowsky was trying to avoid him. Nonetheless, with grave courtesy, Berchtold presented himself to the hapless Prince. "I know that you might not want to speak to me," Berchtold said, "but I have something important to tell you." What Berchtold said, Lichnowsky later wrote a friend, was that he "never would have taken so hard a line on Serbia if he had not been constantly pressured to do so by Berlin." Berlin's actions, Berchtold insisted, gave him no reason to suppose that Germany opposed a general war.' Excerpt taken from - 'The Lions of July, Prelude to War, 1914'- by William Jannen Jr.

I realise the IGAF "Rah-Rah" crowd will be coming out of the woodwork now, but as I have found through much study, the German's of WW1 AREN'T the GOOD GUYS they would try to have you believe. Perhaps that's why they try to go after Billy's record so hard, they are constantly trying to shift the focus, and blame away from their beloved IGHQ and Kaiser Bill.
Regards,
Jim 'ACE'

[Billy_Bishop]

Maybe they're getting tired of repeating the same old theories.

VBR,

Al Lowe

[wings]

No theories needed for Bishop. The truth is obvious to most people.

[rammjaeger]

Aviation is no more existing on your agenda, Jim??

Todays Jim "Ace" seems no more to be the same as 1 or 2 years ago. The latter showed at least some aviation knowledge. Today everytime if I see your name I find a super-long contribution full with more or less hurrah-patriotic political or propagandistic contributions - and nothing new. Especially your general world view with its simplifying American good-bad, black-white patterns are really amazing. You should better search for a political discussion board - there you can deal with your prefered political topics and find worthy political discussion counterparts.