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24 August 2000, 03:27 AM
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Nope, why should it?
VBR,
Al Lowe
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The Billy Bishop Zone
The posession of arms is the distinction between a Freeman and a slave.
- MP Andrew Fletcher, 1698
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24 August 2000, 03:48 AM
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#22 (permalink)
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Craig was heard to mutter...
"While irritating hero-worshippers is a justly rewarding pastime, I hope you don't expect to convince such fellows of anything they don't already believe. And any evidence contradicting their position is automatically false or irrelevant."
Not really. I don't put down any evidence contradicting my position as false or irrelevant.
But then most evidence that's been put forward doesn't really contradict my position. What has there been? Simply a LACK of evidence supporting my position.
That, in and of it's self does not contradict my position on Bishop's record.
(By the way, I do not claim that he actually shot down 72+ German aircraft/balloons. I realize that many things happen in combat. And that people can get confused. My point is that he made his claims in good faith, that he didn't lie, and that he didn't falsify his reports.)
No one has been able to come up with anything other than someone else's opinion that Bishop lied. There are no KNOWN witnesses that can say they saw Bishop somewhere else when a combat report he filed said he was attacking an aerodrome.
There are no KNOWN witnesses or reports that put Bishop in a different area from any of his victory claims.
Basically there is NOTHING but other people's (Including German intelligence reports) opinion that he lied. All anyone can point to is a LACK of evidence on any of his claims. This also applies to at least 20-24 claims for which he had witnesses. And some of these same witnesses are people who SUPPOSEDLY came out years later claiming they thought he lied about his claims!
YOU call this proof???
I call it UN-substantiated conjecture, or if you will, SOMEONE else's opinion.
But as always, the above is just MY opinion.
VBR,
Al Lowe
p.s.
I'm not irritated, just a little tired.
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The Billy Bishop Zone
The posession of arms is the distinction between a Freeman and a slave.
- MP Andrew Fletcher, 1698
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24 August 2000, 04:49 AM
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Very well said Al. While I agree with the "anti" crowd that it appears as if Bishop's record is largely unsubstantiated, the only real "evidence" of this is a lack of evidence. This does not absolutely "prove" the position to be correct.
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24 August 2000, 01:03 PM
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Keep clinging, lads. It's so CUTE!
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24 August 2000, 03:05 PM
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Well, it's a lot cuter than dissing people!
VBR,
Wing Commander, THE Rev. Dr. Al Lowe, Legion of Lowe, Staff Chaplain
Imperial Net Staff
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Al Lowe
The Billy Bishop Zone
The posession of arms is the distinction between a Freeman and a slave.
- MP Andrew Fletcher, 1698
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24 August 2000, 08:57 PM
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Did the witnesses actually see wings falling off or aircraft consumed by flames or crashing into houses, as described by Bishop? Witnesses never seemed to be present when REAL destruction took place.
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25 August 2000, 05:17 AM
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Enough of Silly Billy and his Loopy Legion of Sycophants! It is generally accepted by SERIOUS students of said subject that his claims - like most Allied pilots - doesn't accurately reflect the actual damage they caused to their opponents.
Think I'll have a round of hacky-sack.
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25 August 2000, 07:49 AM
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It is also accepted by studious and serious researches that there is no place for God in the study of evolution and genetics by the scientific method. Does this prove (to their satisfaction or to yours) that the Almighty is a figment of someones imagination ?
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25 August 2000, 07:58 AM
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Interesting how a Mannock thread turns in to a Bishop thread. Taffy wouldnt like this.
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25 August 2000, 11:30 AM
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Next: a fistfight between Taffy Jones and Al Lowe!
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