The Aerodrome Home Page
Aces of WWI
Aircraft of WWI
Books and Film
The Aerodrome Forum
Sign the Guestbook
Help
Links to Other Sites
Medals and Decorations
The Aerodrome News
Search The Aerodrome
Today in History

Learn how to remove ads

The Aerodrome Forum

Learn how to remove ads

Go Back   The Aerodrome Forum > Archives > 2000


2000 Closed threads from 2000 (read only)

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 23 January 2000, 06:24 PM   #11 (permalink)
Vin
Forum Ace
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: right here
Posts: 1,577
 
1. Their superiors (particularly RFC).
2. Aircraft Manufacturers.
3. Grog.


Vin
__________________
Honorary Consultant on Policy and Ethics
On a Holy Purpose
The absolute self-appointed authority
Too myopic to comprehend
Fools and cowards
foolish do-gooder, you aid and abett the devil
Vin is offline  
Old 24 January 2000, 12:07 AM   #12 (permalink)
Mark
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
No one has mentioned friendly fire or clouds (c/f Albert Ball) or ground attack work, lets face it anyone who has played any combat sim of the time knows that ground attack=death.

Mark
 
Old 24 January 2000, 12:50 AM   #13 (permalink)
Forum Ace
 
Vigilant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1998
Location: Devon
Posts: 979
 
In the RFC, if you survived flying school you were doing well. The RFC (Royal Flying Corps) lost as many men to accidents as they did to enemy action. Other airforces were considerably better however.

Typically a new pilot solo-ed after 2 or 3 hours. Today it's more like 15 to 25 hours in planes that are a lot easier to fly.

Vig.
__________________
Fly a microlight - http://www.bmaa.org
Vigilant is offline  
Old 24 January 2000, 02:35 AM   #14 (permalink)
Forum Ace
 
Lufbery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Posts: 2,549
 
Let's not forget that navigation was exceptionally difficult compared to today. This is true for a number of reasons:
  1. The instruments in the planes were primitive at best. There was no way for a pilot to fly the plane based solely on instruments if he were to find himself in fog, clouds, night, or lousy weather.
  2. For most planes, there was no communication with the groud, and therefore, no groud control. IOW, there was no way to call home and get position fix. Also, the lack of ground control often resulted in crashes while planes were trying to land.
  3. There were no runway lights or navigation beacons, so pilots coming in at night had to reley on their comrads on the ground lighting barrels of fuel oil to mark the runway and fire flares in the air (Very lights) when they heard the planes, to notify the pilot of the aerodrome's location.
Now, the fact that most sorties (air missions) were flown during the day, in a relatvely small area (the planes only had fuel for 2 hours or so), during reasonably good weather, mitigted against some of these problems. But there were always pilots that would push their luck, or the weather would change, or they'd get lost, or something else would happen.

Oh, did I mention combat?

I hope this helps,
-Drew
__________________
Drew Ames

"Drew can talk -- by Jove, how the man can talk!" -- James Norman Hall in "High Adventure"
Lufbery is offline  
Old 24 January 2000, 09:47 AM   #15 (permalink)
Jim 'ACE'
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
All,
Did anyone happen to mention bailing out of a burning aircraft with no parachute. It gives one the sensation of flying, but gravity and that sudden stop at the end make it a REAL BUMMER! ; )
VBR,
Jim
 
Old 25 January 2000, 05:04 AM   #16 (permalink)
John L
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Jim, You have that absolutely correct. Burning was the most terrifying thing that an early pilot could face. Some of the early Gnome engines with valve-in-piston were known to allow crankcase expolsions or fires. Broken fuel lines, forgetting to kill the ignition in case of trouble,all could result in a rather terrible death. Some "wanna be" WW-I pilots should think this over. We tend to think only of the glamerous aspects.
When fire was detected, a pilot would often make for the nearest body of water, jump and try to swim for it. Luf was trying for a pond, but ended up on a picket fence, because he misjudged drift and inertia.
 
Old 25 January 2000, 07:35 AM   #17 (permalink)
Forum Ace of Aces
 
rammjaeger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Posts: 4,526
 
I did not read all replies but I guess animals were not mentioned. I was reading repeatedly about dogs and even a cattle running into a starting or landing aircraft and causing crashs. O.K. - I admit a more exotic and not so important factor!
__________________
My homepage:
http://www.flugplatzgeschichte-grossenhain.de.tl/
rammjaeger is offline  
Old 25 January 2000, 03:37 PM   #18 (permalink)
A Henderson Rupert
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
My father was a WWI pilot and aereal photographer.
I have his log books beginning 1917. The number of "forced landings" documented are many with remarks as "water boiling", "engine out",
"snow & sleet" , landed in field, throttle jammed upon landing, broke tire. and other notations.
 
Old 26 January 2000, 06:23 AM   #19 (permalink)
John L
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Hannes has a point, to which I would add "collision with birds." These may seem minor things, but they did cause problems for early aviators.
Another problem was the fragility of the fuselage fabric. It was found that ejected cartridge cases would punch holes that could tear further and cause major damage.
 
Old 26 January 2000, 08:05 PM   #20 (permalink)
Vin
Forum Ace
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: right here
Posts: 1,577
 
Some of the dangers they did NOT have to face

Drowned in mud at the bottom of a trench
Mustard gas
Buried alive in a direct shell hit
Bitten by rats who had just fed off corpses
Slaughtered in a machine gun rush
Trench foot


Vin

*****
__________________
Honorary Consultant on Policy and Ethics
On a Holy Purpose
The absolute self-appointed authority
Too myopic to comprehend
Fools and cowards
foolish do-gooder, you aid and abett the devil
Vin is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Tags
someone, tell, dangers, early, pilots, faced


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Early (Pre WWI) Pilots Licenses Doc Pioneer Aviation 3 5 November 2006 04:19 AM
Early aviation documentary from the early 80's Biber Movies and Television 4 15 September 2005 06:17 AM
Dangers jimmy boy People 9 25 January 2004 02:17 AM
Early MvR and ???? StephenLawson People 10 16 December 2002 08:10 AM
Early early Fokker D.VII Cliff Aircraft 13 30 June 2002 09:42 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright ©1997 - 2013 The Aerodrome