Leutnant Schmid zur Nedden

[rammjaeger]

Ho, ho, ho ...

I would like to get the following Christmas present:
All available info - incl. first name - of the above mentioned man. (BTW I have the sources TJP, ATL and TJWC).

Thanks in advance.

VBR
Rammjaeger

PS: Merry Christmas!

[Rick]

Rammjaeger,

This won't be much of a Christmas present, but it is the best I can do, from Ferko's data:

Ltn. (?) Schmid zur Nedden, 1 v/c

Jasta 72 (from Jasta 1) 8Mar18 - 16Jun18 (to AFP F)

Sorry, R.

[Cigogne]

Ahhh, but Rick... that works great as a stocking stuffer!

Best wishes for Christmas...

und auch Rammjaeger, ich wünsche Ihnen Fröliche Weihnachtsfeier!

[Soderbaum]

ho ho Rammjäger and Merry Christmas..!

What do you have on Schmid zur Nedden service in Palestina...?

Sorry I have a list from the late "Pys" Svensen in Norway but his list of German nobilities could not either identify this man...


Gunnar

[rammjaeger]

Oh,
looks like I have to search for another Christmas present! *:'(
... but thank you very much for the Merry Christmas wishes!

Gunnar, there was nothing mentioned about this service!
He is only called Nedden or even Nedder in my source.
BTW I will experiment with DSL next time, so if I am not posting or e-mailing then the tests failed ... :-[
Some buddies had already problems with this technology.

VBR
Rammjaeger

[Rick]

For his only victory, 11Jun18, he is listed in the Nachrichtenblatt merely as Ltn. zur Nedden. Stupid question, could his first name possibly be Schimd??? R.

[rammjaeger]

Yes it will be his first name, Rick,

but he is a man of nobility and I am expecting him to have some first names (In German language "Vornamen") - I believe you would say middle names in your language.
Another example: Otto Karl Ferdinand Vogel von Falkenstein.

VBR
Rammjaeger

[Rick]

Rammjaeger,

* *Not to belabor the point, but your response to my question has piqued my interest. *Let's say the man's name was Hans Müller, alphabetically he would be listed in the M's. *Or, Hans Karl Otto Müller, still in the M's. *Or, Hans Karl Otto von Müller, still in the M's.

* * Otto Karl Ferdinand Vogel von Falkenstein, he goes into the V's. *Vogel von Falkenstein was his last name, Otto Karl Ferdinand, his first or Vornames. *Thus he would be listed as:
* * Vogel von Falkenstein, Oblt. Otto Karl Ferdinand.

* * Now, this brings us to Schmid zur Nedden. *If zur Nedden is his last name, he would be filed under the N's as:
* * * zur Nedden, Ltn. Schmid. *
However, if Schmid zur Nedden is his last name, he would be in the S's as:
* * * *Schmid zur Nedden, Ltn.

* * So, for clarification, I have to ask the question again. *Could Schmid be his first name, i.e. Vorname, or is Schmid zur Nedden his last name? *Schmid would be sort of an 'odd' Vorname, but I suppose no worse than Wulfgar.

* * Hope I haven't muddied the waters too much. * *Rick

[Rick]

Of course, now we can also raise the question of 'Ruf' Namen. 'Ruf' is the name he likes to use or be called by. As a strictly hypothetical example, let's say the man's full name is Ltn. Billy Joe Karl Wilhelm Schmidt. Billy is his first name. However, he likes to be known as Wilhelm Schmidt, thus Wilhelm is the Ruf name. He would be listed as:
Schmidt, Ltn. Wilhelm

Or, if Karl is his selected Ruf name, he would be listed as:
Schmidt, Ltn. Karl or possibly Schmidt, Ltn. Karl Wilhelm.

As an aside, no 'von' is ever listed under V, unless in an American phone book!!! Rick

[rammjaeger]

I looked at my own sources, searched in the Internet etc. and I think I have to correct my first answers.

There were many Vogel von Fal©kensteins in history and WWI. For example:
Vogel v.Falckenstein, Gen.d.Inf. (19.Jh.)
Vogel v.Falkenstein, 1867 Preuß. Gen.d.Inf.
Vogel v.Falkenstein, Ernst Friedrich Eduard, 1865 Gen.d.Inf.
Vogel v.Falkenstein, Gen. Max, *
Vogel v.Falkenstein, Maximilian, 1898 Gen.d.Inf.
The pilot Vogel von Falkenstein (also Falckenstein) was son of a General Vogel von Falkenstein if I remember correct here. So it seems the clan´s name was Vogel von Falkenstein.
Nevertheless the "Deutsche Adelsinstitut" is listing the Vogel von Falkenstein under "Falkenstein" (F) and not "V"! ... and this Institute should know the correct way of listing!?

I am also confused about the correct listing of zur Nedden.
In a German telephone CD-ROM I saw both kind of listings:
Under "Z" I found "zur Nedden, Mario" but I saw also "Nedden zur, Felix" under "N". Today no Schmid zur Nedden seems to exist. Wait some days I hope to get answer to my letters to holders of the name. We can discuss the results on the direct way later.

VBR
Rammjaeger