Pfalz DXII-color question

Thinking of working on the Toko/E.E. Pfalz DXII. My question is this: instructions for 2600/18(aircraft of Lt. Klein)call for overall matt light grey. My suspicion is that this aircraft may have actually been 'silbergrau' /silver-doped(like most other typical Pfalz) and not light grey. Can anyone help on this? ???my next project awaits....thanks in advance! JimR

[PeterL]

Jim, that scheme applies to a Pfalz DIII. Heaven knows why Toko/Roden felt it siutable for a DXII.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Jim R.:
Ltn. Klein, never flew Pfalz D.XII 2600/18. Pfalz D.XII had the top surface of the upper wing dark olive green,5F4 (I have a piece of the fabric off the aileron) the under surface was 5 color printed fabric. The lower wing was covered with 5 color fabric, dark pattern on top and light patern on the bottom as were the tailplane and fin. The rudder was white. the fuselage was painted nose to tail, dark brown on the nose greyish olive green to the cockpit, dark green at the cockpit, thenlight green, dark green , then a medium green then a very dark brown at the rear of the fuselage. The nose cowl and side cowlings were a light chocolatebrown. The wheel covers were dark pattern printed fabric. All the struts were painted light bluish grey. this plane is in the Australian War Museum in Canberra, Australia.
GOD Bless America
Dan-San

Hello, folks!

I have this kit too and haven't built this one yet. I must say that E.E. instruction sheets are something that makes me cry... >

The aircraft Dan-San described, I guess, is the one in a side of the kit box, right? The painting instructions don't mention this aircraft, but the one JimR described, with yellow nose and rudder and light grey fuselage. Seems a Jasta 10 plane, which also appears in the top box art.

What a confusion!

All the best from Brazil

Marcio Campos
Visit my site: www.modelismo-ww1.cjb.net

Wow!Thanks,both Peter L and Dan-San.Saved that project from a horrible fate.I was shooting for "wrong colors',did not expect "completely nonexistent" !!!

The search begins for another scheme.Thanks again. JimR

How can we be so docmatic about colours?
"Pfalz D.X11 were never painted silvergray............ top of the
wing was painted Dark Green" Is that so!
I would refer you to Windsock #4l "Pfalz D.X11" page 3l,
Colours and Markings, and I quote;
"most of the early production Pfalz D.X11 fighters had their
fuselage doped overall in silvergrau as had the earlier
D.111 a aircraft. Pre-printed camouflage fabric had been
introduced by the time the D.X11 was entering production
and this was applied to wings,ailerons,fin,rudder and elevators"
Insofar has 2600/18 is concerned, again refering to

2600/118 was displayed for may years by the Australian War
Memorial with the upper surface of the top wing in a very
Dark Green . When the fabric was removed from the top wing
during restoration it was discovered that repairs had been
carried out and the wing repaired with plain fabric. It is
thought that the upper surface was then painted this colour
(Dark Green) to achieve a uniform finish .........doubts
over the upper wing colour of 2600/18 remains"

[Dan_San_Abbott]

GuyCanuck:
* *The question was about Pfalz D.XII 2600/18 and the phony markings of Jasta 10 of Ltn. Klein. *
1. Jasta 10 *were never issued Pfal.D.XII 2600/18 or any other Pfalz D.XII aircraft. So the markings are wrong!
2. The upper wing of Pfal. D.XII 2600/18 were repaired with plain fabric, the operative word is "repaired"
It was not recovered with plain fabric. *The 5 color printed fabric I have in my archives, is off the aileron of Pfal. D.XII 2600/18, it has the dark pattern on the top surface and the lighter patteron the bottom surface and it still has some of the dark olive paint on the top surface. *
3. Don't take all of what is writen in the Datafiles, as 'Gospel". *I can site many errors.
My data goes back to Bob Waugh who did the on-hand research in the late 1950s on the Alb. D.Va 5390/17 and Pfal. D.XII 2600/18.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *GOD bless America,
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan-San
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Ha, for you to have an idea of how Eastern Express instructions can lead someone to craziness, see the example of Hansa-Brandemburg W.29

Box art is 2521
Decals are for 2292 and 2611 >
And, last but not least, instructions teach you how to build a Norwegian W.29!

Fortunately I have the Datafile...

Now, back to the Pfalz D.XII:

Both top box art and instructions ask us to paint an unidentified aircraft, with both yellow nose and fin/rudder (it's a "Jasta 10-like", but Dan-San said Jasta 10 had no Pfalz D.XII, and who am I to say something different?).

And the 2600/18 can be seen in the box side, exactly as Dan-San described it.

So, the question: what misterious airplane is that, with yellow nose / fin and grey (or silver) fuselage?

All the best from Brazil

Marcio Campos
www.modelismo-ww1.cjb.net

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Marcio:
The RODEN markings of Pfalz D.XII 2600/18 is what is called imagination! It did not exist. There are several that are known, Jasta 5, 23b, 34b, 35b, 43 and 77b to name a few. I have all of these but Jasta 5 and 43 in my Markings Catalog.
May GOD protect our pilots
Dan-San