Walther PPK/S .380

[Billy_Bishop]

IMHO, concealed carry weapon means just that. No one knows I am carrying a weapon, and that's the way I want it.

While I can agree with that statement, I think there are times when UNconcealed may go a long way toward stopping a nasty problem.

I honestly can't tell you how many times just the mere presence of a firearm caused some rather unsavory types to rethink their actions and decide that discretion was the better part of valor.

I would say that 99.5% of the time, my weapon never sees the light of day. But there have been occasions when making it known that I was packing seemed to difuse a potentially bad situation.

Thankfully, NONE of those situations ever got further than simply making it known.

VBR,

Al Lowe

[45_Auto]

There isn't any other way to carry a 1911 that's ready for action other than cocked and locked. It was designed to be carried that way, and says so on page 12 in the original Government Printing Office instruction pamphlet #1866: Description Of The Automatic Pistol, Calibre .45 Model Of 1911 published in 1912. If you don't carry it cocked and locked it might as well be cased. Just because "The Military" tells you to do something a certain way doesn't make it right. Remember these are the same folks who don't allow sentrys to have a round chambered in their weapon in Beruit while "protecting" our barricks, National Guardsmen to have loaded weapons when deployed during an on going riot in L.A., National Guardsmen to have mags in their weapons at the airport they are supposed to be guarding from terrorists since 9-11, or guards on Navy vessels to have a round chambered when protecting the ship. As was pointed out earlier If you're going to carry a 1911.........learn to use it correctly or carry something else!

[stephen]

Kevin:

That's why I carry "something else!" *;D

Rex:

Criminologist and author John Lott (Yale Univ., "More Guns, Less Crime") claims that the mere presentation of a firearm ends a confrontation more than 98.5% of the time. There certainly are times when carrying open can be the deterrent that avoids trouble and prevents crime. I also know that from personal experience.

That said, for social reasons I still conceal roughly 60% of the time.

[Billy_Bishop]

There isn't any other way to carry a 1911 that's ready for action other than cocked and locked. It was designed to be carried that way, and says so on page 12 in the original Government Printing Office instruction pamphlet #1866: Description Of The Automatic Pistol, Calibre .45 Model Of 1911 *published in 1912. If you don't carry it cocked and locked it might as well be cased.

Just because "The Military" tells you to do something a certain way doesn't make it right.

As was pointed out earlier If you're going to carry a 1911.........learn to use it correctly or carry something else!

Interesting, first you show us what the Gov't said (through the Gov't Printing office) about how to carry a Model 1911 pistol, then you tell us...

Just because "The Military" tells you to do something a certain way doesn't make it right.

The way I see it, the correct way to carry the 1911 model .45ACP semi-automatic pistol is so that it ONLY fires when YOU, the user, wants it to. *IF it goes off when you don't want it to, then you're doing something wrong.

By the same token, I think it is a mistake for anyone to tell someone else how they should carry their chosen self-protection weapon. *Neither you nor I have any idea of what their situation is. *

And, telling them to "As was pointed out earlier If you're going to carry a 1911.........learn to use it correctly or carry something else!" is about on the same level as "The USA, love it or leave it." *Neither comment show much insight.

As usual, the above is simply my opinion.

VBR,

Al Lowe

[mike_baram]

Depending on state law, carrying openly, or even concealed in a manner that shows that you are armed could be considered "flaunting", and could result in revocation of your permit

[stephen]

Depending on state law, carrying openly, or even concealed in a manner that shows that you are armed could be considered "flaunting", and could result in revocation of your permit

Fortunately, Indiana has no such busybodied quackery. Instead of assuming that you, the average person, is a complete idiot, the assumption is that you possess a base level of intelligence which permits you to make such decisions *on your own.

BTW, did you guys hear about the wacko, loose cannon cop in CO who busted a guy for "concealing" his weapon because the man in question was STANDING AT AN ANGLE which did not permit the cop a clear view?

Presumably, one is supposed to raise one's hands over his head, then turn a complete circle every time a public servant walks by.

Ya do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around...

[Billy_Bishop]

Depending on state law, carrying openly, or even concealed in a manner that shows that you are armed could be considered "flaunting", and could result in revocation of your permit

Technically, it's legal to carry Openly in Michigan. TECHNICALLY, that is. And the term is usually "Brandishing". But in general, that term means you have it out of the holster/waistband/purse/whatever, and it is presumably in you hand. USUALLY, that is.

VBR,

Al Lowe

[stephen]

When I was in Pheonix last spring, I very nearly took advantage of their open carry law and brought along one of my Makarovs. The ideer being that the Mak is suitable for personal defense, but costs only $150 in case one of my public servants should use force against me to steal it.

I chickened out at the last minute, but would REALLY like to know if public servants in states like MI, CO and AZ abide by the law or not. Theoretically, in AZ, open carry is legal for non-residents and those without permits, but that depends entirely on the ability of police officers to abide by the law. Sorta scary.

Does anyone have any experience with such laws? Are AZ open carriers generally hassled by public servants? Where's Barrett when you need him?

[Billy_Bishop]

The problem with Open carry in Michigan is this. Legally, you're ok until you get into your car. Then you're carrying concealed.

I suppose if you travel on motorcycle or bicycle, you'd be fine. But you have to make sure you weapon is NEVER accidentally covered by your clothing. In this current weather (2 inches of snowfall and still counting) that's next to impossible.

VBR,

Al

[leo]

The problem is that there is hardly such a thing as BLACK LETTER LAW. The law is constsntly changing as a result of jury and judicial decisions, not to mention 50 state legislatures. What was, may not be now, what will be, who knows. Juries AND judges can come up with some unbelievable results.