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Old 16 October 2001, 06:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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not sure whether this should be in aircraft but here goes. Mannock was in combat with a Fokker DVII sporting a swastika marking in June 1918. i have seen a photograph of Kunz of Jasta 7 in a scout (unidentified) but with a swastika marking. anyone know of any other fighter pilots (german) who adopted this personal marking?
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Old 16 October 2001, 06:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Fritz Beckhardt, Jasta 26, used a swastika as his personal marking, for one example. What's ironic is - he was Jewish!
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Old 16 October 2001, 08:20 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Ltn. Paul Billik of Jasta 12 flew a Alb. D.III with a black swastika on the fuselase sides and also a black Alb. D.V with a white swastika. An unknown pilot in Jasta 37 flew a camouflage Rol. D.II with a white swastika painted on the fuselage sides and later a Alb. D.Va with black fuselage with a white swastikaon both sides of the fuselage aft of the cockpit and white 9 on both sides of the nose. The tailplane was painted in black and white diagonal stripes. The swastika was a world wide common symbol for good luck.
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Lt. Werner Voß flew an Albatros D. III in mid 1917 with a swastika surrounded by an laurel wreath (?) and a red heart.

Originally the swastika was a GOOD LUCK symbol and several pilots had one on their aircraft. I´m not sure but the INDIAN HEAD emblem of the Escadrille Americaine originally had a small swastika too.

After WW I the NSDAP took the swastika as their party emblem and changed its meaning totally between 1933 and 1945.

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There was also a Fokker Dr.I flown by an unknown aviator in Jasta 15 (I think, or was it Jasta 11?) with a black swastika on what's thought to be a turquoise background.
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Old 16 October 2001, 09:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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* * * *"I´m not sure but the INDIAN HEAD emblem of the Escadrille Americaine originally had a small swastika too."





Several allied types carried a swastika as personal or unit marking like this for the 103rd. The sinister conotations came later.
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Old 16 October 2001, 09:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Originally the swastika was a GOOD LUCK symbol and several pilots had one on their aircraft. I´m not sure but the INDIAN HEAD emblem of the Escadrille Americaine originally had a small swastika.
I have seen a photo of Lufberry's SPAD with a large, black, swastika personal markinging front of the indian head. I haven't seen swastikas (large or small) on any other Lafayette Escadrille planes.

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Old 16 October 2001, 09:31 AM   #8 (permalink)
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The swastika was inside the "bonnet" of the Indian head. Very small, and very difficult to see without a close up picture, but it's there.
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Peter,

Thanks for the blow-up. I guess it's time for new glasses. 8) (Not cool just blind!)

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