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Originally Posted by Langdon
Nobody mentioned the rudder remains on 425/17's wreck appears to have never been painted red, why? I do not think they would take the time to put a new rudder on it to change the color. 152/17's was red at one time and it was over painted white at a later date, see the pictures of it post war the white has worn off and showing the red undercoat.
Take a look at other Jasta 11 aircraft, when they changed the cross fields to the narrow type they also similarly changed the rudder cross.
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You are misreading what I have stated. This has nothing to do with the rudder cross,it has to do with the color of the rudder itself. The pictures taken of 425/17's wreck taken from the rear has rudder covering still stuck to the frame of said rudder. The material is white inside and out. The torn edges of this material is white also, it was
never painted red. If it was never painted red it could not be the "V" plane unless the rudder was swapped out and I do not believe that would be done simply for a color change. If 425/17 never had a red rudder it could have never looked exactly like the "V" plane with Iron Crosses.
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Originally Posted by Langdon
Another thing I would like to know is if the red paint used on 425/17's original red coat matches the red in the cross fields. Why? The photos showing (which are very clear) the inverted "V" plane has a even color on the fuselage and cross fields as if all the red was applied at the same time the Iron Crosses were reduced to just a outline, I do not believe spare red paint would have came with the plane.
With what did Jasta 11 paint their other aircraft? All cowlings and wheels were painted with the same colour. We know that 425/17 underwent three cross changes, two of those required red to be applied and you cannot notice that in the photos. The red was the same shade because it was made from the same ingredient vermillion. If you cannot believe they had spare red then you have to look at the bigger picture. My theory above is that the whole aircraft did recieve a coat of paint when the narrow cross fields were applied (see above) and the stencils and undersurface were over-painted.
To me the remains of 425/17 looks like the plane was red with white crossfields. Then the crossfields were reduced ,then they were altered to strait crosses.
You seem to be contradicting yourself, you thought they had no paint.
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No contradiction, again you are misreading what I wrote or I did not make it clear enough, I did miss a comma. I meant to say there would not be red of the same mixture and shade. That is why I asked if the fuselage's paint was
the same as the crossfield's. If the plane was painted at the factory red and delivered with white cross field I do not believe Fokker would have sent a batch of the same red color and shade paint with the plane to overpaint the crossfields and blue under surfaces.I am try to see if the different shades of red on the remains are from different shades of red used or simply the undercoat of paint, blue undersurface or white crossfields bleeding through over time.I have painted many cars and the chances of getting a exact match of paint from different batches is rare and with the primative conditions at the airfield of the period even less likely. You mention you feel it was red then overpainted red again when the crossfield were covered, was there evidence of a second coat of the same or different shade of red?
You also mention most of the planes in the Jasta were painted the same shade of red, that is very unlikely in those conditions. If the paint was thinned or mixed in bucket for each plane and painted them at different times chances anything was exact is slim.
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Originally Posted by Langdon
The "V" plane no matter how it came from the factory looks like the red was evenly applied across the fuselage and the crossfield at the same time then at a later date altered to strait crosses.
I agree.
Langdon
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Thanks again,
CWatson