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Dave_Watts · 13 June 2006, 10:29 PM

Hi all,

CWatson,

I believe the rudder on 425/17 at the time it was shot down was all white with no under coating of red. You're point is well taken if one could access the original rudder fabric as taken from the wreckage of 425/17 they could have it specially photographed and see if there were any earlier form of cross underneath. I see three outcomes from the testing;

1. If the earlier forms were underneath but without the red outline, this would point us in the direction of this aircraft NOT being the all red aircraft at Lechelle.

2. If there were no earlier forms underneath, this tells us it came from the factory with the late form or the rudder had been replaced in the field.

3. If the form of the cross and overpainted outline as seen on the Lechelle shows up underneath, this would be evidence this very well may be one and the same aircraft.

Taz,

If you could post images of what you are writing about it would make it much simplier to follow, and not all of us have your reference library. Even poor quality images help to make the point.

First off, I believe this is the aircraft Taz referred to as 477/17 from its werks number underneath the top wing.

Not that there are cans of paint on either side of the aircraft indicating the crosses have just been overpainted or they are in the process of overpainting other areas on the aircraft.

Here is a poor scan that may be of interest.

Leaman reports the nearest aircraft as being 477/17.

The next two images are the same, but the contrast difference allows you to see information in both of them.

It is reported by Ferko that the nearest aircraft is either 152/17 or 425/17.
Leaman states the fourth plane is MvR's and most likely 425/17.

I hope these images are of help. All via Ferko/UTD.

Best,
Dave W.

13 June 2006, 10:29 PM	#77 (permalink)
Dave_Watts Forum Ace Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Indy, Home of the 500 race Posts: 623	Hi all, CWatson, I believe the rudder on 425/17 at the time it was shot down was all white with no under coating of red. You're point is well taken if one could access the original rudder fabric as taken from the wreckage of 425/17 they could have it specially photographed and see if there were any earlier form of cross underneath. I see three outcomes from the testing; 1. If the earlier forms were underneath but without the red outline, this would point us in the direction of this aircraft NOT being the all red aircraft at Lechelle. 2. If there were no earlier forms underneath, this tells us it came from the factory with the late form or the rudder had been replaced in the field. 3. If the form of the cross and overpainted outline as seen on the Lechelle shows up underneath, this would be evidence this very well may be one and the same aircraft. Taz, If you could post images of what you are writing about it would make it much simplier to follow, and not all of us have your reference library. Even poor quality images help to make the point. First off, I believe this is the aircraft Taz referred to as 477/17 from its werks number underneath the top wing. Not that there are cans of paint on either side of the aircraft indicating the crosses have just been overpainted or they are in the process of overpainting other areas on the aircraft. Here is a poor scan that may be of interest. Leaman reports the nearest aircraft as being 477/17. The next two images are the same, but the contrast difference allows you to see information in both of them. It is reported by Ferko that the nearest aircraft is either 152/17 or 425/17. Leaman states the fourth plane is MvR's and most likely 425/17. I hope these images are of help. All via Ferko/UTD. Best, Dave W. Last edited by Dave_Watts; 13 June 2006 at 10:36 PM.