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Dan_San_Abbott · 20 June 2006, 10:04 AM

Langdon:
I have NOT given up on Alex Irmrie as a primary source, but I don't look at Alex Imrie as you do, What is your opinion of Peter Grosz? I don't hold Alex Imrie in as high asteem as you do. I don't think his unimpeachable. He has made statements as facts that are not correct, but on the other hand he is one of the best sources on German aircraft. i also have made mistakes, when realized, I corrected them.
I quote Paul Leaman to establish a date of when Fok.Dr.I 152/17 was shipped.
But I quoted Alex Irmie very extensively.
I had thought the last post would provide the information to convince you about which was the red tiplane at LeChelle. I now realize that this exchange is a waste of my time time and effort, and short of a proclamation from MvR, you will never change your mind. I'll say this it has increased my knowledge. You have not provided any data to support your position.
My position is:
1. Fok.DR.I 152/17 was last used by MvR on 18 March 1918 and was shipped to the Zeughaus on or about 18 March 1918.
2. Fok.Dr.I 477/17 was acquired on or about 20 March 1918 at Awoingt Airfield and it was painted completely red. From about 20 March 1918 to 11 April 1918, Dr.I 477/17 was his regular aircraft.
3. Fok.Dr.I 127/17 was MvR's reserve machine and was flown when DR.I 477/17 was down for maintance. It had the upper surface of the upper wing , engine hood, empennage, all struts and wheel covers painted red.
4. Following the move to Cappy Airfied MvR acquired Fok.DR.425/15 and it was painted red somethime during the period from 12 April to 20 April 1918.
5. Following the move to Cappy Airfield, there is no further record of either Fok.DR.I 127/17 and Fok.DR.I 477/17.
6. All of the about is supported by the data from souuces previously listed.
7. I will not change form this position.
As I previously stated, when I find the date source for Dr.I 152/17, I'll post it.
I would not be surprised, both Imrie and Leaman have taken information on the Fokker Triplane from my articles, the difference is, both did not credit the source.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

20 June 2006, 10:04 AM	#134 (permalink)
Dan_San_Abbott Rest in Peace Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ceres, California Posts: 9,119	MvR's Red Triplanes. Langdon: I have NOT given up on Alex Irmrie as a primary source, but I don't look at Alex Imrie as you do, What is your opinion of Peter Grosz? I don't hold Alex Imrie in as high asteem as you do. I don't think his unimpeachable. He has made statements as facts that are not correct, but on the other hand he is one of the best sources on German aircraft. i also have made mistakes, when realized, I corrected them. I quote Paul Leaman to establish a date of when Fok.Dr.I 152/17 was shipped. But I quoted Alex Irmie very extensively. I had thought the last post would provide the information to convince you about which was the red tiplane at LeChelle. I now realize that this exchange is a waste of my time time and effort, and short of a proclamation from MvR, you will never change your mind. I'll say this it has increased my knowledge. You have not provided any data to support your position. My position is: 1. Fok.DR.I 152/17 was last used by MvR on 18 March 1918 and was shipped to the Zeughaus on or about 18 March 1918. 2. Fok.Dr.I 477/17 was acquired on or about 20 March 1918 at Awoingt Airfield and it was painted completely red. From about 20 March 1918 to 11 April 1918, Dr.I 477/17 was his regular aircraft. 3. Fok.Dr.I 127/17 was MvR's reserve machine and was flown when DR.I 477/17 was down for maintance. It had the upper surface of the upper wing , engine hood, empennage, all struts and wheel covers painted red. 4. Following the move to Cappy Airfied MvR acquired Fok.DR.425/15 and it was painted red somethime during the period from 12 April to 20 April 1918. 5. Following the move to Cappy Airfield, there is no further record of either Fok.DR.I 127/17 and Fok.DR.I 477/17. 6. All of the about is supported by the data from souuces previously listed. 7. I will not change form this position. As I previously stated, when I find the date source for Dr.I 152/17, I'll post it. I would not be surprised, both Imrie and Leaman have taken information on the Fokker Triplane from my articles, the difference is, both did not credit the source. Blue skies, Dan-San Last edited by Dan_San_Abbott; 20 June 2006 at 10:10 AM.