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Originally Posted by Dan_San_Abbott
Langdon:
You believe that Dr.I 425/17 was at Lechelle, that is your opinion. I don't believe Dr.I 425/17 was at Lechelle, My opinion is based on the fact that in the records (Nowarra) there is no record of Dr.425/17 until 20 April 1918.
For example, "Why did MvR use Dr.I 161/17 in March and Dr.I 525/17 on 17 March 1918 to visit Jasta 5 instead of Dr.I 152 /17 which was his primary aircraft? When did he get Dr.I 425/17? When did MvR start using 425/17? Are all the photographs at LeChelle of the all red Triplane, 425/17? Where is 477/17? Was it photographed at Lechelle? If It was his regular aircraft why is it not in the flight line photos?
If you have a record or a document that establishes otherwise, produce it. I don't want to hear Imries, Ferko, I know their positions, they are both stating opinions. Produce evidence to support your position. Evidence, Langdon. Evidence.
Blue skies,
Dan-San
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DSA, I guess this brings us back to the following:
1. No records of Dr1 425/17 prior to April 20th ( Per Combat reports claiming victories.) Use of any aircraft otherwise is unknown but probable. By the way, if we follow Nowarra closely then F1 102/17, and all Jasta 11 aircraft are also all or mostly RED!
2.Why did MvR use aircraft from Jasta 6, 11, etc. not assigned to him? Because he was the Geschwader Commander and used aircraft at need?
3. IIRC 425/17 was accepted on Jan. 8th 1918. I would
guess MvR received the aircraft sometime after that date, and WAY BEFORE APRIL 20th!
The Cross changes on extant Fabric prove this.(FACT) The only FACT I know of in this whole discussion!
4. There are reports( you chose to ignore or challenge) that report Dr1 477/17 as having an Upper wing in Red, as well as the rear fuselage, wheel covers, struts and cowling.
5.No one has ever said 477/17 was not at Lechelle. Just that they disagree as to which aircraft is 477/17.If as many others feel the streaked aircraft is 477/17 then it was obviously SINGLED out for up close and personal photos!
5. Obviously no records or any other proof( again other than those who have stated they read the numbers on the relative aircraft) ie. Ferko(425/17) and Imrie( 477/17).
6. You ask for proof not based on Ferko, Imrie, etc. Isn't your "Evidence"Based on others research? Be it Nowarra, Kilduff, etc.? DO you have any Original evidence that Identify positively that the ALL RED aircraft at LeChelle is 477/17? Not "Opinion" but based on positive ID of the Werke Number, serial number etc.?
This debate as I have said previously can not end unless outside sources can verify Numbers that the rest of the mortal race seem unable to discern :-)
RAGIII