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Dan_San_Abbott · 29 June 2006, 08:39 PM

RAGIII:
1. I did not disparage Heinz Nowarra, I was citing Nowarra as my source.
2. I raised the the question about Dr.I 477/17. Ifthe all red triplane photos were of Dr.I 425/17 at Lechelle raises a problem. All the photographs taken at Lechelle are of the same aircraft! If all the photos was of Dr.1 425/17, the question becomes, where is Dr.477/17? In the lineup photos of Jasta 11, there are no photos of a Dr.I 477/17 painted as described in the questionable MvR combat reports.
3. I feel quite sure Heinz Nowarra had access to the MvR combat reports.
He gives the serial number of MvR's machines with the specific victory. I am not talking about the English Translations in the PRO.
4. I have the same feeling about the combat reports in Gibbons' The Red Knight of Germany.
5. I have not discredited Peter Kilduff, I related what has most likely occured that changed his viewpoint.
6. Cross changes.. When the cross change order was issued on 17 March 1918, it applied to all manufacturers, all depots and all units in the field. It also stated that the change was to be completed no later than 15 April 1918. A follow-up directive was issued 24 March and a revised Directive which provided specific dimensions for the cross and border was issued 10 April 1918. All the machines in transit and those held in reserve at the Armee Flugpark and all machine received by the AFP prior to issue.
All the machines at front line units, i.e. Jasta 11 the aircraft in their inventory, the crosses were to be modified in accordance with the Idflieg Directives. All these changes are evidence in the balken crosses on Fok.DR.I 425/17. I think the initial change of 17 March and 24 March 1918 was made at Armee Flugpark 2 and the final change of 10 April 1918 at Jasta 11 at Cappy Airfield while Dr.I 425/17 was being painted. The move to Cappy was made on 12 April 1918.
The fact that it was done, only means that wherever the aircraft was,
(425/17) the changes were made. What we do know for a fact, none were made on the Dr.I machines at the Fokker Flugzeugwerke. I would not give any significance to the fact the crosses were changed other than the Directives were complied with.
I hope I have answered All your questions.
blue skies,
Dan-San

29 June 2006, 08:39 PM	#186 (permalink)
Dan_San_Abbott Rest in Peace Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ceres, California Posts: 9,119	MvR's Red Triplane. RAGIII: 1. I did not disparage Heinz Nowarra, I was citing Nowarra as my source. 2. I raised the the question about Dr.I 477/17. Ifthe all red triplane photos were of Dr.I 425/17 at Lechelle raises a problem. All the photographs taken at Lechelle are of the same aircraft! If all the photos was of Dr.1 425/17, the question becomes, where is Dr.477/17? In the lineup photos of Jasta 11, there are no photos of a Dr.I 477/17 painted as described in the questionable MvR combat reports. 3. I feel quite sure Heinz Nowarra had access to the MvR combat reports. He gives the serial number of MvR's machines with the specific victory. I am not talking about the English Translations in the PRO. 4. I have the same feeling about the combat reports in Gibbons' The Red Knight of Germany. 5. I have not discredited Peter Kilduff, I related what has most likely occured that changed his viewpoint. 6. Cross changes.. When the cross change order was issued on 17 March 1918, it applied to all manufacturers, all depots and all units in the field. It also stated that the change was to be completed no later than 15 April 1918. A follow-up directive was issued 24 March and a revised Directive which provided specific dimensions for the cross and border was issued 10 April 1918. All the machines in transit and those held in reserve at the Armee Flugpark and all machine received by the AFP prior to issue. All the machines at front line units, i.e. Jasta 11 the aircraft in their inventory, the crosses were to be modified in accordance with the Idflieg Directives. All these changes are evidence in the balken crosses on Fok.DR.I 425/17. I think the initial change of 17 March and 24 March 1918 was made at Armee Flugpark 2 and the final change of 10 April 1918 at Jasta 11 at Cappy Airfield while Dr.I 425/17 was being painted. The move to Cappy was made on 12 April 1918. The fact that it was done, only means that wherever the aircraft was, (425/17) the changes were made. What we do know for a fact, none were made on the Dr.I machines at the Fokker Flugzeugwerke. I would not give any significance to the fact the crosses were changed other than the Directives were complied with. I hope I have answered All your questions. blue skies, Dan-San