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Originally Posted by Dan_San_Abbott
RAGIII:
I have not ignored anyones questions, and have responded I believe to everyone who has posed a question to me, including yourself.
I find it interesting that after answering my four questions, you still suppose that Fok.DR.I 425/17 painted all red and was and was there at Lechelle at the disposal of MvR, and from the record he never flew it in combat. He Flew his reserve DR.I 127/17 in combat, but for some unknown reason, he never flew DR.I 425/17 until 20 April 1918. Reason and logic, tell me, he did not have DR.I 425/17 until after he moved to Lechelle Airfield on 12 April 1917.
I want to asked you another question?
1."What is the origin of the all red triplane photographed at Lechelle Airfield on 26 March 1918, being identified as DR.I 425/17?" This is important to this discussion.
Blue skies,
Dan-San
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Dan,
Quite honestly I do not believe that this discussion has any chance of moving forward. It has stalled into a repetition of points and counterpoints already discussed numerous times in this thread, let alone previous threads, on the Drome. Yes you do respond to questions, but again you have side stepped the one question I feel is important. This is relative to the cross changes being done using red, black and white, not olive,black and white. Fabric samples in museums show that the aircraft carried Iron cross markings reduced to the 5cm? outline using red not olive. If after acceptance, the aircraft was being held in reserve for Jasta 11 at an AFP and merely updated to meet the latest directive, OLIVE not RED would have been used to perform the changes. ( Upper Surfaces of wings and Fuselage), and BLUE on the (lower wing undersurface). The large white cross fields were reduced with red, This is fact! The outlined Iron cross was changed to straight sided crosses with red, black, and white, this is FACT! As the method of reducing the cross field and changeover to straight sided crosses on the disputed 477,486, or 521 picture show, there is NO LOGICAL explanation for first outlining the Iron cross with the 5cm. white border using red, then changing to the straight sided cross if this aircraft were not painted for MvR before April 12th. As in the picture of the disputed 477/17, they would simply have painted the straight cross with black, then outlined the straight cross with red. Does this prove 425/17 was at Lechelle, I have stated time and again NO! Does it prove that 425/17 was prepared for MvR previous to March 15th,( or very soon afterwards) Yes! You seem to disagree that there is ANY possibility that this aircraft was pre-painted in RED for MvR but all of the evidence points to the fact that it was. You have NEVER given an answer to this question, Why are the first cross changes done in RED on all of the crosses?? As to why the aircraft doesn't appear in combat reports prior to April 20th, Already answered many times. All I can say is that, Ferko, Imrie, Kilduff, GvW, seem to accept the all red bird as being 425/17. I am in far greater company in my beliefs than I am worthy of
I think if you just take a fresh look at the evidence, at least you should agree that 425/17 was painted all red long before April 12th, or 20th.
I also think any of us left in this thread can agree to disagree reference the photo at Lechelle as there is no real finite proof either way.
As for your final question I believe I already answered this in my PS from my last post. Ferko claims to have seen the serial? number 425/17 on the negative of the all red bird with the "V" glitch at Lechelle. I also asked a question, Isn't this just as VALID as acers statement he can read 2189 on the disputed 477, 486, 521 photo?
RAGIII