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Dan-San,
Had these reports stated that DR.I 477/17 was painted all red we would not be having this discussion! Would we??
It would certainly add credence to your position.
My doubts about the MvR combat reports would not have been any different. My doubts were in the translations of the narratives when compared with those translations made by Floyd Gibbons's in his "The Red Knight of Germany". The translator of the MvR combat reports did not follow the format of the German combat report form and finally the only one you list, the style of the date of the reports.
This is a question that you haven't answered, do the translations vary in any way that that contradicts the essence of the information provided?
After I had e-mailed the PRO and received a reply that the did know the origins of these reports, increased my doubt about their authenticity of the reports. With your report from the PRO that providing the origins of the combat reports certainly give credibilty to the MvR combat reports. It will interesting to see if the reports you get are the same as Peter Kilduff''s or the same as the one I have.
Fair enough.
I do not have a recollection about the painting of the upper wing on F.I 103/17? For your information F.I 103/17 was never at Lechelle. It did not exist after 23 September 1917.
This is an extraordinary statement, no-one ever suggested F.I 103/17 was at LeChelle, RAGIII stated some time ago that now it seemed the question as to which aircraft the all red one was at LeChelle was answered we could move on to what colour Voss's cowl was painted, your answer was "Dave Watts;
You forgot to mention the yellow upper wing, all the Jasta führern painted their upper wings the Jasta Color.
Blue Skies,
Dan" which then became the "moot point" I made regarding the over-painted upper wing on the aircraft that has been identified as 477, 486 & 521/17 (see your post #216).
I believe Alan Toelle is only referring to the fuselage, not the wings. The wings were made at Perzina and would have been delivered to Fokker Flugzeugwerke, covered and painted in the sreaked camouflage.
No Alan Toelle was quite clear that none of the fabric that has been studied all over the world has upper-surface streaky camouflage present under the red. It is an interesting point though. I seem to recall that Bill Cole made a study of the wing tip relic from 425/17 at the RCMI an concluded that the small fragments of fabric that were still attached had traces of the under-surface colour but he did not mention any upper-surface camouflage. Certainly there must be many surviving pieces of wing fabric that were not taken from the cross fields, unless one can be found that has streaky camouflage then it seems that the upper-surfaces were most likely not camouflaged.
In regard to answers, I have answered everyone of you questions and answers right or wrong, I have not ignored any of your posts, directed to me. So let's try to be a little more accurate in your statements about me.
They were not questions that you tend to ignore, they are the answers to the questions you ask for, see post 194 for example, after that post Taz stated his belief and you asked him to provide answers, as did RAGIII to the same question, all of them provided similar points to my own yet you keep asking the same question. The case has been made by yourself and others, as RAGIII has stated above, this discussion is going nowhere so lets leave it for all to make up the own mind with the evidence provided, anyway I'm out of here for a couple of weeks away.
Langdon
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