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Originally Posted by StephenLawson
Ok Flypaper, lets be fair.
You skipped a few words here and there because you seem upset so I'll try to work through it. Your issues with Dan should be kept out of this post. Report what you will to admin. Me, him, Aunt Swinny, whatever. But this is not the place for it. Also I did not tell you anything about posting. So leave me out of that. And lets face it Alan's studies were performed on an electron microscope so, no your not going to do much but rehash it if thats all you want to discuss. We are doing this thread a dis-service by going this direction.
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You say that Alan Toelle's letter is accurate. I can agree. I never said CDL was not a method. What I said was there were other methods that were employed. Alan never said all Spad VII types were done just this way or that. His research reaches beyond my 180 description to encompass 360 degrees. You are seeing about 2% of his whole study. He has a study on each and every Spad airframe that it in existance. Most of us have that. Thats why we can say what we do.
Since the original topic of this thread is about the Nieuport 17 1428 let us refrain from delving further into other aircraft types. No more Spads, lets focus on just the Nieuport 17 type with camouflage. This was not the late war 5 colour camouflage we have referenced. We got stuck on the linen colour and veared of course. I'll take the blame for that. We can open up the late war French 5colour in another thread.
Again, lets be fair, your colour chips have little to do with the actual colours. You see there was a fellow initials R.G. that liked to use hobby paints to reference colours and made a living on it. Though meager he was found to be a fraud. It has left a bad taste in most older members minds. When you throw up similar colour chips it puts you at home base with one strike. The values on your screen will not be the same on others. References to hobby paints is a tough start.
The "wet look" deteriorates pretty quickly and most of us who have photo references know. Without the clear gloss the pigmented dopes are matte - flat etc. I think you will find that is where Dan San Abbott was going.
Again you are using two aircraft to stereotype all. You may not mean to do this, but that is all you are really saying.
Not at all. What I am saying is broaden your research. Don't just take two airframes and have them account for 1,000.
You seem to want everything handed to you? I never said I would supply you with anything. Period. I simply pointed out to everyone where it could be found. Yes, there is a whole section on stencils and the different manufacturer's variations. Project Butterfly was and is a great tool. But Alan Toelle has carried on his research beyond that of the early days. He has fine tuned it and made some great discoveries. He has shared them with people that he knows are serious about continuing their studies.
Now lets turn to the Nieuport 17 1428.
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There is so much wrong with this post it boggles my mind. I have more important things to do (clean the cats litter pan) than waste my time trying to untangle all the misrepresentations, half truths, and unsupported conclusions contained.
Rufus Leking aka "Flypaper"
