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Originally Posted by alex_revell

Romani,
You may be right or you may be wrong.

You left out another possibility. Maybe I simply don't know. Reader discretion advised

But AB seems to be an historian who is very well regarded by many authorities.

Wich coincidentally all are on the same side of the fence. And while I am at the task of turning sacred cows into hamburguers, John Keegan is overrated, and even the revered Christopher Duffy makes mistakes. So there!


Is hard to take Beevor book seriously when a Spanish historian found more than a hundred factual errors and still counting, wich is telling of a very sloppy writing, or pure falsehoods for shock impact when he says in page 107 "at least thirty seamen of the cruiser Almirante Cervera were hanged from the armyards" after the triumph of the uprising against the Republic. Apart from being fantasy, the Cervera didn't have armyards at all

The more pages I read, the more I remember what a load of the same old drivel and cliches it is. Enough, I am not wasting any more time in it. If you think it's a good book, is simply because you don't know, you can't tell how the author is feeding you BS.

However, getting down to the basics of the SCW: it was an army coup against an elected government.

Proving my point if you read that in Beevor book. Holding elections are one thing and a democracy working under the rule of law is another entirely different. And Spain in July 1936 was nothing of the sort.

Did you ever read in what conditions the election was carried out? Did you know that the voting results were never published?

As Stalin said , it's not the vote count that matters, but who counts the votes.

I've always been ashamed of my country's lack of support for the Republicans and still am.

*irony mode on*

At first I was amazed since I didn't color you red, but now I think this must be a fine display of the celebrated British irony... and suddenly I realize smacking my forehead you are being totally sincere!

Of course! For Britain doing something good for Spain must be tantamount to high treason! No wonder you are ashamed of such an awful mistake! That's so totally you I can't get offended at it. After all, it's the nature of the scorpion.

*irony mode off*

On my part, I don't regret at all Franco making Britain a little favor by saying "No" to Hitler when he wanted to get across Spain to take Gibraltar

Under Franco, Spain was hardly an enlightened democracy, was it.

No, and the bad news it is that it is hardly an enlightened democracy today

People were still being shot for their political beliefs.

Well, he mostly shot people whse political beliefs were about shooting other people for their political or religious beliefs. Quid pro quo. That's latin for doing unto others what others do unto you.


Ok, back to the aviation topic. I forgot to mention that the Reds were the first to begin terror bombing of civilian targets, like they did early in the war during the siege of the city of Oviedo, wich produced some ghastly scenes wich had nothing to envy to the siege of Sarajevo in the Yugoslavia war., and if they had more bombers they would have done more.

Also, that the Legion Condor importance and contribution are overrated while no full recognition is given to the Italian Aviazione Legionaria, whose bombers were the backbone of the Nationalist air support. And the ones who truly did carry out criminal attacks against civilian populations as a essay of terror bombing on their bombings of the cities of the Mediterranean coast.

To each its due.