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van der Laan · 12 April 2009, 06:03 PM

Dear DSA
Both 450/17 and 470/17 had Clergets and Camel Props at the same time, the only way I have been able to tell the difference between the two in a some of my photos is that 470 always seems to have either a dent or a bullet hole in the cowling to the left and lower when looking at it head on facing the prop.

But that said you may still be right, because the paint job on the one shown is already painted all-black (see no light blue under wings) but the exposed portion of the crosses on the wings seems to be out of spec for both machines.

Jacobs had claimed on more than one occasion that he had THREE DR1s outfitted with Clergets at his disposal after he had received the DVIIs to Jasta 7, but many historians doubt evidence supports it.

Who knows, this might be the third, but the dent leads me to believe its 470 then again I've see a copy of this photo in Leaman's book and it attributes another photo to Bill Evans WITH THE SAME DENT and claims its 450

12 April 2009, 06:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
van der Laan Two-seater Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 161	Dear DSA Both 450/17 and 470/17 had Clergets and Camel Props at the same time, the only way I have been able to tell the difference between the two in a some of my photos is that 470 always seems to have either a dent or a bullet hole in the cowling to the left and lower when looking at it head on facing the prop. But that said you may still be right, because the paint job on the one shown is already painted all-black (see no light blue under wings) but the exposed portion of the crosses on the wings seems to be out of spec for both machines. Jacobs had claimed on more than one occasion that he had THREE DR1s outfitted with Clergets at his disposal after he had received the DVIIs to Jasta 7, but many historians doubt evidence supports it. Who knows, this might be the third, but the dent leads me to believe its 470 then again I've see a copy of this photo in Leaman's book and it attributes another photo to Bill Evans WITH THE SAME DENT and claims its 450 Last edited by van der Laan; 12 April 2009 at 06:18 PM.