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Otis Glenn · 4 July 2009, 07:08 PM

Hello Sixman:

I have been working on a similar project and actually posted a thread about the same topic.

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/mo...g-project.html

This tread includes artworks that feature a lot of Richthofen's aircraft. I will be doing 11 to 12 aircraft, all in 1/48 except Fokker Dr.I 425/17 which will be the centerpeace in 1/32.

As far as which planes he flew for which kills, the only real concise numbers that I found were kept after the formation of Jagdgeschwader Nr.I. Before that I found it difficult to find exact matches. The Andrea press book isn't very accurate with the earlier aircraft. There are kills listed for one of his Albatros D.III's in April 1917 when the serial numbers of the aircraft weren't accepted until May. As far as the Halberstadt, he probably only scored one kill in that type of plane as "Le Petit Rouge" was quickly back in service after the wing failures that took place. Also, it is quite likely that the Halberstadt he flew was either a D.III or D.V with the evidence provided by the acceptance records of Jasta 11. There is a thread somewhere here on the Aerodrome about that very topic.

The Albatros D.III with the dark varnished fuselage and red band that was one of Richthofen's first D.IIIs (if not THE first) causes alot of confusion. According to Lothar, this particular aircraft was used by Manfred to shoot down ten aircraft and then passed on to Lothar where he shot down another ten at its controls. Twenty kills for a single Albatros! When you look at the dates of the kills and compare it to Lothar's claims the math simply doesn't add up. This is especially the case since some of Manfred's kills that were supposed to take palce with this plane (according to Lothar) we know took place while Manfred was flying "Le Petit Rouge".

Also, do you plan to do the aircraft that Richthofen used for kills that weren't officially credited to him in 1915 and 1916? The first of these palnes would be an Avitaik C.I when he shot dow a Farman F.11 while an observer. The other woud be the aircraft he flew that he attached a machine gun to the top wing and shot down a Nieuport 11. Most biographies say this plane is a Albatros C.III. A.E. Ferko and Jim Miller say this aircraft was actually a Roland C.II. The confusion of this stems from what aircraft Kasta 8 was flying at this time.

I have put together a graphic presentation of the aircraft that I am doing as a proposal to the Library manager where I work. The models I am doing will eventually be put on display in the library. I will send a copy, If you would like to see it, if you can send me your email address. I put alot of research into it and I received alot of help with it from members of the the forum.

As far as books you will want for this project, I reccomend A.E. Ferko's "Richthofen", both of Peter Kilduff's Richthofen biographies and his "Illustrated Red Baron", Greg Vanwyngarden's "Richthofen's Flying Circus", and Jim Miller's upcoming book on Richthofen. Jim Miller gave me alot of help with my project as did Laserlloyd, Tim West and others. I personally can't wait for Jim Miller's book.

His will probably be the most comprehensive book as far as Richthofen's aircraft is concerned.

Hey Gman:

You can find Blue Max 1/48 Halberstadt D.IIs online from several hobby shops in Europe, that is where I got mine. Be prepared to pay though!

Hope all of this information helps!

Glenn

4 July 2009, 07:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
Otis Glenn Observer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 74	Great Minds think alike! Hello Sixman: I have been working on a similar project and actually posted a thread about the same topic. http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/mo...g-project.html This tread includes artworks that feature a lot of Richthofen's aircraft. I will be doing 11 to 12 aircraft, all in 1/48 except Fokker Dr.I 425/17 which will be the centerpeace in 1/32. As far as which planes he flew for which kills, the only real concise numbers that I found were kept after the formation of Jagdgeschwader Nr.I. Before that I found it difficult to find exact matches. The Andrea press book isn't very accurate with the earlier aircraft. There are kills listed for one of his Albatros D.III's in April 1917 when the serial numbers of the aircraft weren't accepted until May. As far as the Halberstadt, he probably only scored one kill in that type of plane as "Le Petit Rouge" was quickly back in service after the wing failures that took place. Also, it is quite likely that the Halberstadt he flew was either a D.III or D.V with the evidence provided by the acceptance records of Jasta 11. There is a thread somewhere here on the Aerodrome about that very topic. The Albatros D.III with the dark varnished fuselage and red band that was one of Richthofen's first D.IIIs (if not THE first) causes alot of confusion. According to Lothar, this particular aircraft was used by Manfred to shoot down ten aircraft and then passed on to Lothar where he shot down another ten at its controls. Twenty kills for a single Albatros! When you look at the dates of the kills and compare it to Lothar's claims the math simply doesn't add up. This is especially the case since some of Manfred's kills that were supposed to take palce with this plane (according to Lothar) we know took place while Manfred was flying "Le Petit Rouge". Also, do you plan to do the aircraft that Richthofen used for kills that weren't officially credited to him in 1915 and 1916? The first of these palnes would be an Avitaik C.I when he shot dow a Farman F.11 while an observer. The other woud be the aircraft he flew that he attached a machine gun to the top wing and shot down a Nieuport 11. Most biographies say this plane is a Albatros C.III. A.E. Ferko and Jim Miller say this aircraft was actually a Roland C.II. The confusion of this stems from what aircraft Kasta 8 was flying at this time. I have put together a graphic presentation of the aircraft that I am doing as a proposal to the Library manager where I work. The models I am doing will eventually be put on display in the library. I will send a copy, If you would like to see it, if you can send me your email address. I put alot of research into it and I received alot of help with it from members of the the forum. As far as books you will want for this project, I reccomend A.E. Ferko's "Richthofen", both of Peter Kilduff's Richthofen biographies and his "Illustrated Red Baron", Greg Vanwyngarden's "Richthofen's Flying Circus", and Jim Miller's upcoming book on Richthofen. Jim Miller gave me alot of help with my project as did Laserlloyd, Tim West and others. I personally can't wait for Jim Miller's book. His will probably be the most comprehensive book as far as Richthofen's aircraft is concerned. Hey Gman: You can find Blue Max 1/48 Halberstadt D.IIs online from several hobby shops in Europe, that is where I got mine. Be prepared to pay though! Hope all of this information helps! Glenn Last edited by Otis Glenn; 4 July 2009 at 07:14 PM. Reason: Goofed up a name.