Originally Posted by bristol
Now this is odd!
Does the EDITORS NOTE in your copy read differently to mine??? I would imagine not!
"THE EDITING AND PREPARATION OF THIS BOOK FOR PUBLICATION WERE PERFORMED AFTER THE AUTHORS UNTIMELY DEATH. NOT ONLY WERE HIS PERSONAL AND AUTHENTIC ADVICE AND GUIDANCE ON THE TEXT ITSELF LACKING; THERE WAS NO CLUE TO THE SOURCES OF MOST OF THE MATERIAL ON WHICH HE DREW IN COMPILING THIS HISTORY.
"no clue to the sources" and as no sources appear anywhere in the text this, surely constitutes 'no sources' And a history book that has no sources to be checked against is a flawed work of historical importance.
I have never said A.R. Weyl was a flawed historian-----just thar FOKKER- THE CREATIVE YEARS is a flawed history book. We should perhaps agree to disagree
Mr. Bristol. Although I wear spectacles I can easily read what is written by J.M.Bruce in his editors note, there is really no need to write it with capital letters again.
As you could have read in my reply (post #36) your cited sentence from the editor's note is directly followed by another sentence, giving some particulars about the foregoing sentence. I do not need to explain that to you, can be read by yourself.
I hope that you do not think that A.R.Weyl and J.M.Bruce made it all up and wrote a book without any sources? Surely the Weyl archive was special enough to be bought by Peter M. Grosz and surely a lot of people furnished archive pueces on which this book is based. In practice I have seen few books in aviation history which quotes all the sources via footnotes as is a prerequisite in scientific works.
Your fine nuance that the Fokker book is flawed, but that A.R.Weyl (and J.M.Bruce probably) was not a flawed historian, does not sound logical. If one writes a flawed history book, the writer is usually labeled as a flawed historian I think. Surely the person of A.R. Weyl is dragged in the discussion of the book (I have even seen in writing that he had a personal hatred against Fokker and was making it up in his Fokker book).
The postive point of this discussion is that I have researched somewhat (of course with sources !) about the life and works of A.R. Weyl. This is a collection of his writings in Aircraft Engineering and The Aeroplane from ca. 1944 - 1948, all of 112 pages. The description can be found here
Really, I think you have no case. I do realize that it will not refrain you from voicing repetitively that the Fokker book (really A.R. Weyl wrote more books and contributed to others) is a 'flawed, seriously flawed book'.
Addendum - bibliography of the books written (or partly written) by A.R. Weyl. Not necessarily complete. Excluded are magazine articles and the now famous book FOKKER; the creative years (the capitals are in the title) which appeared in two printings (1965 and 1987). No need to include that here in his bibliography as everybody knows he (and J.M.Bruce) had written it. Needless to say both printings are long OOP.
Weyl, A. R. 1949. Guided missiles: : the evolution and principles of guided and directed missiles for military and peaceful purposes. London: Temple Press.
Weyl, A. R. 1928. The cells of giant airplanes. Technical memorandum // National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, 478. Washington, DC: National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics.
Everling, Emil, Börge Houmann, and A. R. Weyl. 1928. Meer und Luft. Erfindungen und Fortschritte, BD. IV. Berlin: Gwdion-Verlag.
Offermann, Erich, Walter G. Noack, and A. R. Weyl. 1927. Riesenflugzeuge. Handbuch der Flugzeugkunde, Bd. IV. Berlin: Richard Carl Schmidt & Co.