okay, got my answer--the aeroforum site is [temporarily, i hope] tango uniform...got it. in my case it prevents me from getting my daily dose of achim engels' work, which i seem to need. if i don't get to look at his spectacular work every day, i get cranky. i hope the site is back up soon. meantime, as in the ORA and FTS threads here, there seems to be a lot of sniping. could we just give the good people that take the immense responsibilities of webmaster and publisher on, the benefit of good will and civil courtesy? just asking...