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Billy_Bishop · 15 December 1998, 06:29 PM

I thought I posted a message regarding MacMillan's claims but it must have gotten lost somewhere.

Regarding MacMillan, If you'll read the little bio that's in

ATT, you'll see that the GOGS(Gods Of Grub Street) have determined that his two OOC claims were not two different Dr. I's, but both the same Dr. I. And that in either case, it wasn't shot down, but simply evading his fire with erractic maneauvers.

The GOGS have also speculated that it was most likely Voss flying the prototype Dr.I that MacMillan ran into and thought he'd shot down twice.

Regarding Collishaw's "6-pack", in the notes section, the GOGS state that while the RNAS credited him with 6 OOC, the RFC Communique noted 1 OOC, and 5 APPARENTLY OOC.

Regarding Fonck, as I've said previously, I don't know much about the man, and I have even fewer resources on him. So I'm not really in a position to judge his claims.

Regarding acts of bravery by others, it's up to their commanding officer to recommend them for a medal. I have no idea, if they did claim that many down in one day, why their CO didn't recommend them for something. Perhaps he did and it was denied for some reason. Bishop shot down 5 in one day, and he wasn't recommended for a second VC, not even another DSO, but a DFC is what he got.

Perhaps shooting down 3 is less than 5, but where did these 5 take place? Over the trenches?? Besides getting 3 aircraft, Bishop attacked an aerodrome that was at least 12 miles behind the lines.

As far as this "Nacht" report, I don't know that it is necessarily self-serving. But other reports that it was compiled from could be. Such as the diary of Jasta 20. Why is there a gap from May 27, 1917 to July 11, 1917? And what happened to three of their pilots, Baurose, Geissler and Heiss?? Where did they go, and why was no mention made of it??? According to Turnuss(or Tornhaus) "there was nothing of worth there for the period in question." SOMETHING must have happened for 3 pilots to apparently disappear without a trace!! Anyone have ANY idea what happened to these three????

VBR,

Al Lowe
2-bit amateur aviation historian and/or enthusiast

15 December 1998, 06:29 PM	#37 (permalink)
Billy_Bishop Forum Ace Join Date: Aug 1998 Location: Lansing, MI USA Posts: 2,564	I thought I posted a message regarding MacMillan's claims but it must have gotten lost somewhere. Regarding MacMillan, If you'll read the little bio that's in ATT, you'll see that the GOGS(Gods Of Grub Street) have determined that his two OOC claims were not two different Dr. I's, but both the same Dr. I. And that in either case, it wasn't shot down, but simply evading his fire with erractic maneauvers. The GOGS have also speculated that it was most likely Voss flying the prototype Dr.I that MacMillan ran into and thought he'd shot down twice. Regarding Collishaw's "6-pack", in the notes section, the GOGS state that while the RNAS credited him with 6 OOC, the RFC Communique noted 1 OOC, and 5 APPARENTLY OOC. Regarding Fonck, as I've said previously, I don't know much about the man, and I have even fewer resources on him. So I'm not really in a position to judge his claims. Regarding acts of bravery by others, it's up to their commanding officer to recommend them for a medal. I have no idea, if they did claim that many down in one day, why their CO didn't recommend them for something. Perhaps he did and it was denied for some reason. Bishop shot down 5 in one day, and he wasn't recommended for a second VC, not even another DSO, but a DFC is what he got. Perhaps shooting down 3 is less than 5, but where did these 5 take place? Over the trenches?? Besides getting 3 aircraft, Bishop attacked an aerodrome that was at least 12 miles behind the lines. As far as this "Nacht" report, I don't know that it is necessarily self-serving. But other reports that it was compiled from could be. Such as the diary of Jasta 20. Why is there a gap from May 27, 1917 to July 11, 1917? And what happened to three of their pilots, Baurose, Geissler and Heiss?? Where did they go, and why was no mention made of it??? According to Turnuss(or Tornhaus) "there was nothing of worth there for the period in question." SOMETHING must have happened for 3 pilots to apparently disappear without a trace!! Anyone have ANY idea what happened to these three???? VBR, Al Lowe 2-bit amateur aviation historian and/or enthusiast __________________ Al Lowe The Billy Bishop Zone The posession of arms is the distinction between a Freeman and a slave. - MP Andrew Fletcher, 1698