Fokker E.V - D.VIII wing camouflage

[CWatson]

I would like to see Mr Abbott's profile of Wenzel's aircraft,what publication is it in?

For us uninformed what are the cosmetic differences between the Fokker E.V and DVIII?

Thanks again,CWatson

[Cigogne]

Cosmetic differences? Virtually nil, except on some you'll see the stencil marked:

Fok. D.VIII 138/18 (number is fictitious, but to show the numbering style.

I have read, that most D.VIIIs were E.Vs refitted with stronger modified wings. Many still bore their E.V designations, and weren't remarked.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Cigogne:
The D.VIII wing differed only in internal details, with the front and rear spars flanges being increased in size and the aileron spar was continued to the wing tip bow. Outside of the Idflieg's fuselage marking of Fok.D.VIII replacing the Fok.E.V identifier marking, exterally they were identical.
When the Fok.E.V were grounded around or about 17 August 1918, they were returned to the Army Air Park and the wings were removed. When the production authorization to build new replacement wing on 24 September 1918, replacement wings began to arrived at the Army Air parks in early October 1918 and On 8 October the first D.VIII was accepted. It had been decided by Idflieg to redesignated the Fok. E.V the Fok.D.VIII, in order to restore the pilots faith in the "new" machine.
By 11 November, wings had been installed on 80 Fok. D.VIII machines at the Army Air Parks holding Fok.E.V machines in store. A few in Fok.D.VIII machines had been re-issued the various Jasta. There are no known units to have been issued the Fok.D.VIII , whether with replacement wings, or new production aircraft.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[CWatson]

Dan San and Cigogne,

Thanks for clarifying the differences(or lack of) between the two model numbers.Mr Abbott were is your profile of the DVIII with the streaked upper wing published?

Thanks again,CWatson

[Dan_San_Abbott]

C.E.Watson:
It is not published in any magazine, journal, or book. I sell them through my catalogs. Contact me through my E-mail for details.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[Tomasz]

Dan-San and Langdon,

if the theory concerning four separate colors of D.VIII streaks is correct, why do you assume, that uppers surfaces were green and brown?

Is there any listing distinguishing upper colors and bottom colors?

Wouldn't be green/violet vs. blue/light brown as much probable?

Best wishes,

Tomasz

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Tomasz:
You are mistaken, the brown is fairly dark, and brown has to my knowledge never used on the under surface of any day camouflage.
It is Brown and green on the top surface and violet and blue on the under surface of Fok.E.V/ D.VIII wings.
The photographs of Fok.E.V machines show two colors on the top surface and two colors on the bottom sides of the wings.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[Langdon]

Originally posted by WinterHawke@Jan 30 2004, 03:36 PM
[b] Just a quick follow-up note on this topic.

Noticed on Glenn Torrance's website (www.gtmodels.com) that he has apparently tracked down the manufacturer of these stains, and will be trying them out soon on a 1/4 scale model that his company kits - this should be very interesting.

I have been a bit slow to get back to this thread followers but if you have been following this from the beginning you will remember that Koloman Mayrhofer tracked down a supplier of this pigment, recently he has made it available to Glenn in small quantities for model builders, Glenn was going to mention here but he has failed to do so for now.

Langdon

[NeilE]

Hi All;

Very interesting thread.... I have one query and I may have missed reading an answer already, but the base 'colour' under the streaks - would it have been a 'dressed ply' sort of colour?

All the Best

Neil

[Tomasz]

Originally posted by Dan_San_Abbott@Feb 5 2004, 06:46 PM
[b] the brown is fairly dark

Dan-San,

speaking of colors, can you tell what were original German names of the dyes/pigments?

Best wishes,

Tomasz