Printed "Lozenge" fabric question.

[AchimEngels]

Hi,

I wonder if anybody ever came accross the patent no. (D.R.P. Nr.) for the initial propose and use of this printed fabric stuff.

I am not interested in the colors, but rather more in the actual patent files and their content.

Thanks!

Achim

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Engels:
The German patent was issued to a German artist, (I have his name somewhere) who was working for Idflieg on camouflage schemes. Idflieg held and controlled the right to the patent. This was for the five color day and night schemes. this man also did work on balloon camouflage.
I am of the opinion that the rights to the four color scheme was held by Fokker.
Dan-San Abbott

[AchimEngels]

Thank you Abbott.

I appreciate your input.

Engels

[Hans]

Dan-San,
your own words ( stored by me for research purposes):

"An artist working at Idflieg named Ltn. Reimschneider was the inventor of the five color day and night lozenge patterns. The patent was held in Idfliegs name with Ltn. Reimschneider as the inventor.
I have looked through 2000 pages of documents and several books and have not found the piece that I was looking for, however, when I do find it, I'll send you a copy.
what it said in essence, was, we (Idflieg) have a new camouflage scheme of printing the fabric covering, thus saving paint and thinners, etc.... One of the places I thought that it was in was Gen. von Hoeppner's book. "Germany's War IN The Air", I did not find the passage.
It might take some time, but I'll come accross it again."

I tried to find some remarks in Hoeppner's book, but could not it either. And I am not too sure about the correct typing of the name. 'Reimschneider' is quite unusual, but not impossible. I would try 'Riemenschneider' which is quite a common name in Germany.

I also tried an on-line research at the Deutsches Patentamt, but it seems that they don't have 1917 data in their files yet. Maybe some traditional snail mail correspondence will help.

Hans

[AchimEngels]

Hello,

I have tried that, but the request the specific number of the patent and the section in which it was issued.

I have a lot from them and there is really no problem if you know the number of the document. They are very helpful there. Unfortunately I do not have the time it would require to try to locate it at Munich by myself.

Best

Achim.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hans Trauner:
* From is the text of the Idflieg notice it gives his name as; Riemschneider. *The paragraph reads:
"Die Schutzfärbung erfolgt, indem der Bespannungstoff mit lichtechten bedruckt und dann celloniert. *Die oberen Flächen dünken untern lichter.
Ein Flugzeug "Bajazzo" sah ich-es "Bajazzo" aus-Leutnant und Maler Riemschneider hat auch für Fesselballon eine Zwischenfarbe zur abhaltung der das Gummi zerstörenden Ultravioletten erfunden. Es ist eine Küpenfarbe oder Indantherenfarbe, soll sehr gut sein."
* *Hans, I would appreciate it very much if you would give me a translation of this Idflieg notice.
* * * * * * * * * * * Blue skies,
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan-San

[AchimEngels]

Hi,

I am sure not Hans, but here we go:

The (Schutzfärbung = protection coloring) camouflage is done by non fading colors printed on the fabric which is then "doped". The upper areas (dünken = appear, here rather more dunkler) darker the lower ones lighter"."

The next passage can not be translated directly, since it does not make much sense in German, so I will try to translate what might hav been meant to be said:

An aircraft "clown" as I saw it. Lt. and painter by profession Riemschneider did also invent a "in-between" layer of paint for captiv ballons to protect the gum from the devestating unltraviolet waves of light. It is a (Küpenfarbe = don´t know the english translation) or (Indantherenfarbe = as above) which is said to be very good.""

Hope this helps.

However, I really would like to know the document that contained that info. Any chance to see it here on this thread?

Engels

P.S.: Is there another source about your statement on the Patent? This one does not precisely mention anything related to a patent for the printed fabric.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Achim:
* I was given the translation for "Bajazzo" as Harlequin, the multi-colored clown costume.
* This is the heading of the Idflieg report:
* * * * * * * * * * * * *Abschrift:
* * * * *Lft. Res. T. Nr. 454 vom 24.V.1917
Bericht der Ideflieg.
* * * * * * * * Bericht I. vom 20.v.1917.
Thi
* * Thank you for the translation.
* * The sentence in the second paragraph ...did also invent..
is crediting Ltn.Reimschneider by inference with the invention of the printed fabric addressed in the first paragraph.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dan-San

Good morning,

Achim:
* I was given the translation for "Bajazzo" as Harlequin, the multi-colored clown costume.

In contemporary German usage Bajazzo is regularly used to translate Leoncavallo's operatic clown Pagliacci, whose character and costume seems to be a conflation of two of the 16th-century Commedia dell'Arte Zani ("clowns"): Pedrino (the French Pierrot)



and Pulcinella



Of course, the costume of their lazy servant compatriot, Arlechino (the French Harlequin), with its traditional multicolored triangles or diamonds, is a more visually appropriate allusion for German printed camouflage fabric:



Bajazzo may, however, be related to Arlechino by common ancestry with the Medieval "motley fool" of Shakespeare, who shares a pieced-together or otherwise multicolored costume:



For Achim's "gum" (above), read rubber (i.e., rubberized cloth); for his "doped" read cellulose acetate-doped (i.e., Cellon). *

Küpenfarbe and Indantherenfarbe are both apparently technical terms related to dyeing whose exact translation remains to be determined.

Best wishes,
Stefen

PS. The patent for printed fabric indicates that such printed patterns were first applied to balloons. Has anyone ever seen a photograph of such a beast?

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Achim:
Indanthrene is a Trademarked name for a blue, crystalline water-insoluble solid used as a dye for cotton and as a pigment for paints and enamels. Apparently Küpefarbe is simular dye substance.
Dan-San