von Richthofen's aircraft?

Sorry if this rehashing an old thread but I'm new here. I am working on a little project and have exhausted my library resources. I can not seem to track Richthofen's kills #20-36 to specific aircraft he was flying while obtaining them? And I also know that I saw somewhere, once, a list of the specific aircraft that he was credited with downing in order of there downing, anyone know where I saw that? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also I have reference that he flew a Dr.I serial number 114/17 during October of 1917 but never scored a kill while flying in it, can anyone confirm this? Again, thanks for any help.

noxaf,

Howdy, if I'm not mistaken Baron Manfred von Richthofen's 20th was a;

'14 Feb 1917 - BE2d - 2 Sqdn - a/c No. 6231 near Loos at 1115 am Pilot: 2/Lt Cyril Douglas Bennett RFC(SR) Wounded and Prisoner of War. Observer 2/Lt Herbert Arthur Croft RFC(GL) Killed in Action.'

Victory #21 I'm not so sure about.

But, get yourself a copy of "Above The Lines" it has the info you're looking for.

Cool breeze,
Moggie

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Moggie:
MvR was flying Alb.D.III aircraft. The first Alb.DIII was an early machine in the D.19xx/16, serial number range. The second machine was in th D.2xxx/16 serial numbers. Victories 20 through 36 were scored when MvR was the jasta Führer of Jasta 11, based at La Brayelle in the German 6.Armee.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[dpcmodels]

Noxaf,

Originally Posted by noxaf

.Also I have reference that he flew a Dr.I serial number 114/17 during October of 1917 but never scored a kill while flying in it, can anyone confirm this? Again, thanks for any help.

Yes, MvR used Dr.1 114/17. It was wrecked in an emergency landing when he caught a wheel in a hole while landing. The cause of the accident was due to a loss of an engine cylinder (so I've read) in flight. Dan-San may be able to shed more light on the subject. As far as I know, no victories were recorded by MvR while using this aircraft.

Dpc

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Dpc:
Dave Lothar had trouble with his DR.I and made a clean forced landing. Mvr seeing his brother went to Lothar's aid and crashed his Fok.DR.I 114/17 on landing. I thought this was rather amusing. As far as I know he never flew Fok.DR.I 114/17 again.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[brian riedel]

Howdy,

In the Harleyford book "von Richthofen and the Flying Circus",
appendices four, there is a list of victories with drawings of the
markings of the aircraft downed. It was published in 1958, so
some of the info may be dated or since proven wrong. Someone
with more knowledge than I could probably confirm their accuracy.

Brian Riedel

[leo]

Under The Guns of The Red Baron by Franks, Giblin, and Mc Creary, Barnes and Noble Books, New York 1998 might provide you with some information.

[EdStevens]

Under the Guns of the Red Baron, which I have, does indeed have much of the information. My question is, given that the book is ten years old, what is the feeling about my quoting the relevant information from it on a public forum? Is it okay to do, or do we require the person asking to go out and find/buy a copy in order to support the work of the authors?

[EdStevens]

I guess we're good to go. Here's what I show from my '95 edition of Under the Guns of the Red Baron:

20 (B.E.): Halberstadt
21 (B.E.): Halberstadt
22 (B.E.): Halberstadt (?) not stated directly, but almost certain
23 (1-1/2 Strutter): Halberstadt
24 (B.E.): Halberstadt
25 (D.H.2): Albatros D.III of Leutnant Lübbert
26 (B.E.): Halberstadt
27 (F.E.2b): Halberstadt
28 ((B.E.): Halberstadt
29 (B.E.): Halberstadt
30 (SPAD): Halberstadt
31 (Nieuport 17): Halberstadt
32 (B.E.): Albatros D.III 2253/17
33 (1-1/2 Strutter): Albatros D.III 2253/17
34 (F.E.2d): Albatros D.III 2253/17
35 (Bristol F.2A): Albatros D.III 2253/17
36 (Bristol F.2A): Albatros D.III 2253/17

The Halberstadt was a D.II, painted red. Albatros D.III 2253/17 is said to have a red spinner, fuselage, tailfin, rudder and struts, with the Albatros decal on the tailfin not overpainted. Wings were standard mauve/dark green segments on upper surfaces and turquoise blue undersides.

[Dan_San_Abbott]

EdStevens:
I would like to find where the the red Halb.D.II comes from. It is not in any of his Combat Reports. There are none listed in the Ciombat Reports until his 53rd victory. So I am a little dubious about any early serial numbers.
All Alb.D.III built by the Albatros Werke were painted in a three color camouflage on thetop od the wings, tailplabe and rudder. The colors were dark olive green, light green and rust brown. The lilac and mauve did not come into use until late May or early June 1917.
Blue skies,
Dan-San