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16 May 2002, 11:07 AM
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Two-seater Pilot
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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Found this shot of an Siemens-S DIII on the web last night, and I thought I'd post it to see what the sages here make of it.
IF nobody gets it right (highly unlikely I'd think), I'll post an explanation in a couple of days.
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16 May 2002, 05:34 PM
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Dear Mac,
Could this be the fabled D.III that was interned by the Swiss? I do think that it is a late model D.III, because of the 'slits' on the prop hub: this was to help facilitate cooling...
VBR,
Captain Lewis
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16 May 2002, 05:45 PM
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The rudder striping makes me think the plane is in Belgian hands. Other than that, I am clueless.
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16 May 2002, 07:26 PM
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Rest in Peace
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Cupertino, CA
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I agree with Captain Lewis. A KEST aircraft after they flew from Germany and turned all their aircraft in. Obviously re-painted, to eliminate the Iron Cross insignia.
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17 May 2002, 01:14 AM
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It is not a DIII, but a DIV. The top wing chord is the giveaway. The numbers look like they were applied during the Spanish Civil War, and the rudder stripes could be Republican markings. Is it Spanish? Otherwise I would guess that it was in use in one of the Eastern skirmishes, Russo/Polish/Baltic.
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17 May 2002, 02:55 AM
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Forum Ace
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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The tri color tail markings indicate, French, Belgian, Romanian, British, US or Italian. The Swiss never used a tricolor
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17 May 2002, 03:35 AM
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Forum Ace
Join Date: Mar 2002
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Looks like a D.IV with some modifications. Most noticable is the small scoop behind the cowl which appears to have been mounted in reverse. The number indicates to me that perhaps this plane was being used in competition? What year was this picture taken in?
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17 May 2002, 03:59 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
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The presence of what appears to be civilians, plus the rudder of what might be a Fokker product, makes it look like some kind of air fair. I agree with Mike, the rudder stripes are probably Belgian.
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17 May 2002, 04:13 AM
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Good morning, JohnMacG,
The machine is/was Belgian war booty (butin de guerre) as described on the very fine site of the Belgian Aviation History Association (BAHA), where you probably found it. The photo was taken in the first few years post-Armistice (the BAHA appears to be down this morning so I can't check), and I forget whether the ID number "22" was applied for a specific occasion or represents a sort of Belgian "G" number.
The tonalites of the rudder tricolor should be a giveaway, and should eliminate confusion with French, British, US, or Italian markings.
I'll give the address where you can send the kewpie doll off-line. *
Best wishes to all,
Stefen
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17 May 2002, 10:06 AM
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Two-seater Pilot
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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Absolutely Right, Stefen! it is indeed the Belgian AF's sole SS, and it is from the BAHA site (Belgian Aviation History Assoc.) at
http://ibelgique.ifrance.com/baha2/index.htmAn absolutely exemplary 'small air force' site, with photos of virtually everthing the BAF ever flew. lots of photos of WWI types in BAF markings, including some types you'd never normally think of as wearing Belgian marks - A Belgian Gotha or Pfalz D.XII (in Belgian military and civil marks!) anyone?
Great site - have a look.
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