Richthofen Red Albatross DV

[RED BARON RETURNS]

I Need Help Does Anyone Know The I.D. Number Of Manfred Von Richthofen All Red Albatross D.III. I Was Thinking Of D789/17 Or D2859/17 And Then Someone Told Me They Thought It Was D491/16.So If You Know Let Me In On It.Any help will be great.
Thanks,
Later Days,
Jep
Red Baron

[StephenLawson]

Greetings young man; Learning to use the search engine here will probably do you the most good. Now if your looking for a red Albatros D.III flown by MvR then consider D.789/17. It has an offset radiator. D.491/17 was a D.II not a D.III. Neither do we have any evidence that it was ever all red.

There was an earlier Alb. D.III that MvR flew (serial unknown) that images say had the fuselage all red. It was an early production type with a centralized radiator. Both of these had the three colour camouflage on the uppersurface of the wings. Though the placement is conjectural. There was another Alb. D.III evidently flown by MvR at one time and given to Lothar on his arrival to Jasta 11. It had a simple red band around the fuselage. 2859/16 was not a serial attached to a Johannistahl Albatros D.III.

Johannnistahl built Albatros D.III types by serial.
D.1910/16 - 2309/16
600 - 699/17
700 - 799/17

The first in the series to have the offset radiator was 2199/16. Try searching for anything on the Albatros D.III type either here in the Models section or Aircraft by Dan San Abbott.

[StephenLawson]

Also one more thing...big difference between Alb. D.III and the Alb. D.V

[RED BARON RETURNS]

Originally Posted by StephenLawson

Greetings young man; Learning to use the search engine here will probably do you the most good. Now if your looking for a red Albatros D.III flown by MvR then consider D.789/17. It has an offset radiator. D.491/17 was a D.II not a D.III. Neither do we have any evidence that it was ever all red.

There was an earlier Alb. D.III that MvR flew (serial unknown) that images say had the fuselage all red. It was an early production type with a centralized radiator. Both of these had the three colour camouflage on the uppersurface of the wings. Though the placement is conjectural. There was another Alb. D.III evidently flown by MvR at one time and given to Lothar on his arrival to Jasta 11. It had a simple red band around the fuselage. 2859/16 was not a serial attached to a Johannistahl Albatros D.III.

Johannnistahl built Albatros D.III types by serial.
D.1910/16 - 2309/16
600 - 699/17
700 - 799/17

The first in the series to have the offset radiator was 2199/16. Try searching for anything on the Albatros D.III type either here in the Models section or Aircraft by Dan San Abbott.

WELL I DIDN'T USE THE SEARCH ENGINE BECAUSE I HAD A BOOK CALL"THE ILLUSTRATED RED BARON" BY PETER KILDUFF AND ON PAGE 81 IT HAS A PICTURE THERE OF HIS ALL RED ALBATROSS AND SAID HIS PLANE ID WAS D2059/17 AND THATS WHAT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT HIS NUMBER IN THE FIRST PLACE.IT SEEMED LIKE A HIGH NUMBER FOR THAT TYPE OF PLANE.
LATER DAYS,
JEP
RED BARON

[GregorySharp]

Originally Posted by RED BARON RETURNS

WELL I DIDN'T USE THE SEARCH ENGINE BECAUSE I HAD A BOOK CALL"THE ILLUSTRATED RED BARON" BY PETER KILDUFF AND ON PAGE 81 IT HAS A PICTURE THERE OF HIS ALL RED ALBATROSS AND SAID HIS PLANE ID WAS D2059/17 AND THATS WHAT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT HIS NUMBER IN THE FIRST PLACE.IT SEEMED LIKE A HIGH NUMBER FOR THAT TYPE OF PLANE.
LATER DAYS,
JEP
RED BARON

No need to shout, now. Stephen has pointed out how good the search engine is, to me too.

I'd rather just talk to the members right now rather than do a search for previous threads too.

[StephenLawson]

RBR no worries it won't happen again.

[RED BARON RETURNS]

Originally Posted by StephenLawson

RBR no worries it won't happen again.

Stephen,
don't worry i was not shouting i just like to use the big letters when i type.I see them better that way too (LOL).BY FAR YOUR THE BEST ONE WITH THE RIGHT ANSWERS SO KEEP IT COMING IT HELP's A LOT.FOR ME I HAVE NEVER USED THE SEARCH ENGINE HOW DO YOU USE IT ?
LATER DAYS
JEP
RED BARON

[Dan_San_Abbott]

RedBaronreturns:
The first Alb.D.III MvR used was at Jasta B, he took it with him to Jasta 11. This one was in the Serial number range of D.2100/16 to D.2124/16. In March 1917, the fuselage ,empennage, wheel covers and all struts were painted red. A clue is the Albatros Werke logo on the rudder was left exposed framed in red paint.
The wings were camouflaged in dark olive green, light green and venetian red on the top surfaces and sky blue on the bottom sdes.
In June1917, MvR had his second Alb.D.III 789/17, it was painted the same as the first one. The wings were camouflage in dark olive green and light green on top and sky blue on the bottoms.
Now we come to his all red machine, it was Alb.D.V 1177/17. It was entirely and thinly painted red all over, one coat. The camouflage, crosses and markings were visible through the red paint.
In August 1917, as Kommandeur of Jage.Nr.1, MvR's next machine was Alb.D.V 2059/17. The fuselage, empennage, wheel covers and all struts were painted in a thin coat of red paint. The fuselage cross was over painted, the rudder cross was not. The wings were camouflaged in dark olive green and mauve. The lower surfaces were sky blue.
In October 1917, MvR acquired Alb.D.V 4693/17. The spinner and ring cowl, both sides of the wings, the entire empennage, wheel covers and all struts were thinly painted red, the wings and rudder crosses visible under the red paint. The fuselage was varnished a straw yellow.
After this Albatros MvR flew Fokker triplanes.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

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Dan San Abbott,
That was very useful info you just laid out there.Thanks to you and a few others out for there time in telling me this.I Have always said the MVR albatross was the forgotten plane.You are always hearing about the fokker dr1 in which i think he only got 19 or 20 v/c with that plane.He got most of his v/c in the Albatross.
Later Days
JEP
Red Baron
P.S. Dan,
What do you know about MVR testing the fokker DVII bi-wing that everone say's was championed after him.Are there any pictures of this test around with him in a DVII bi-wing?

[redalb2253]

Dan San what about DIII 2253? according to Frank"s book he almost 30 kills in this pane alone