Breguet's Aircraft id challenge # 51

[Varese2002]

So we come back to our normal rhytm for No.51. As everybody on this Forum knows there are certain types of which only one picture is known. There is a special category in those 'one-picture' machines, that are the machines which are somewhere in the background of a picture (just sneeking their nose around the corner).
The real hunters have got those in the background.

Here is one for your pleasure (apologies that the picture is not bigger)



I think you will have a good time identifying this one.

Kees

The score at the beginning of round 51 is:

10 Varese2002
5,6 ercoupepilot
5,6 Rod Filan
5,1 Rbailey
5 Dave_Kent
4,9 Breguet
4 Eric Goedkoop
3 Colin A Owers
2,8 JohnMacG
1 Gilles
1 Cruze
1 bshatzer
1 joegertler
0,5 YavorD

[Ross_Moorhouse]

Let me make a fool out of myself here and suggest that this is either a Hansa Brandenburg or a Aviatik of some sort. Single seater?

My vote: Brandenburg L14 (Type LKD) during evaluation at Aspern in 1917 marked as 60.58.

Peter

[Rod_Filan]

Well done Peter.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Peter_Zambori

My vote: Brandenburg L14 (Type LKD) during evaluation at Aspern in 1917 marked as 60.58.

Peter

Peter is absolutely right. Excellent to recognize this obscure Austro-hungarian machine in this small picture. Here I have the picture with the Austro-hungarian number on the machine visible.



Kees

The score at the end of round 51 is:

10 Varese2002
5,6 ercoupepilot
5,6 Rod Filan
5,1 Rbailey
5 Dave_Kent
4,9 Breguet
4 Eric Goedkoop
3 Colin A Owers
2,8 JohnMacG
1 Gilles
1 Cruze
1 bshatzer
1 joegertler
1 Peter Zambori
0,5 YavorD

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Ross_Moorhouse

Let me make a fool out of myself here and suggest that this is either a Hansa Brandenburg or a Aviatik of some sort. Single seater?

Ross, very quick and in the right direction (Austro-hungarian), but just after you Peter came in with the exact answer. You have a new chance with No.52 which is already on.

Kees

[Rbailey]

But what is the ugly-looking brute on the right? The 60-55?

Originally Posted by Rbailey

But what is the ugly-looking brute on the right? The 60-55?

Brandenburg 60.55 was another "starstrutter" and tested one year earlier.

Just a guess, it looks like a Lohner C.II (Ba 112) nose to me.

[Rbailey]

Yes, although the 60.55 was at Aspern in 1917, but in the Fall. I had not paid attention to the times. There is a similar line-up to Kees' picture in Grosz et. al. where the right machine is identified as the Brandenburg C.II 66.51 and the left one as a Phonix C.I. - the strut appearance fits Kees' picture. It is not an identical arrangement as the prop orientation is different. So many of the noses were so similar that it is pretty much guesswork from a picture of that quality.

Originally Posted by Rbailey

There is a similar line-up to Kees' picture in Grosz et. al. where the right machine is identified as the Brandenburg C.II 66.51 and the left one as a Phonix C.I. - the strut appearance fits Kees' picture. It is not an identical arrangement as the prop orientation is different.

No, not different, the line up of the three airplanes in the background exactly the same just as the shadows and the distance between the planes or as the hangars are The nose of the plane believed to Brandenburg C.II 66.51 is barely visible just behind this misterious nose in the foreground. I think the two pictures had been taken with only some minutes (or secs) difference from slightly different angle.

Originally Posted by Rbailey

So many of the noses were so similar that it is pretty much guesswork from a picture of that quality.

You have completly right, it is extremely hard to do a certain identification when only some percent of a particular aircraft can be seen.
The A-H Army Aircraft of World War One is a very-very useful source, I was checking it nearly two hours yesterday, and I found the Lohner 10.19 and 112.04 photos fits well with this nose and wingtip shape, cooler, struts, prop...
But who knows?

The question is still open, which plane standing in the right side of this photo?

Peter