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Old 11 July 2007, 11:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge

I don't think we've had this one before and all I could find was this poor quality picture of it. Still with you experts shouldn't be tooooooo hard!

The scores at the the end of #219 are:

42.9 Varese2002
25.8 Dave_Kent
16.9 Rbailey
9.8 Rod Filan
8.3 YavorD
7.4 JohnMacG
7.0 Breguet
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.9 Cruze
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 EdStevens
5.4 Colin A. Owers
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Patrick
4.8 Der Grune Flieger
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.2 Gilles
4.0 greenknight
3.7 dpolglaze
3 Tom L
2.7 Berman
2.6 FOKKERJ
1.5 Kilian
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1 Rickenbaron
1 Peter Zambori
1 Gregoire
1 Doc
1 cubsfan4life
1 austin08
1 Cliff
.8 Machinbird
.6 Crankcase
.4 Vilkata
.2 Paul_J._Fisher
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Old 12 July 2007, 10:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 12 July 2007, 11:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This is the French Gourdou-Leseurre C 1 of 1918 powered with a 180 hp Hispano-Suiza 8 Ab photographed in May 1918 at Villacoublay. This was the first parasol fighter in a long and succesful series designed by Charles Gourdou and Jean Leseurre. This one was not very succesful but other types which appeared after WW1 entered production and were exported to other countries, by example Finland.

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Gourdou-Leseurre B.3 aka Gourdou monoplane

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The french Gourdou-Leseurre GL.a.

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Old 12 July 2007, 11:10 AM   #6 (permalink)
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To my astonishment I was one minute too early on Aerodrome , but my computer clock gave it exactly 9.08. Happily Rod and CRuze had different answers

It is on to Breguet to decide .................

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Kees, I think we are giving a different name to the same plane, the first Gourdou-Leseurre built
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In french litterature (1) the first Gourdou-Leseurre is designed Gourdou-Leseurre GL.a
As this plane was taking part in the C1 programme (C1 : single seat fighter), I suppose that some authors gave it also the name Gourdou-Leseurre-C1

The 9th january 1917 Charles Gourdou and Jean Leseurre filled the pattent FR504302 for a monoplane with a heighten wing. Three additives were filled later for that plane : FR22526 (19 march 1917), FR22527 (5 april 1917) and FR22528 (13th june 1917).
A prototype is immediately ordered by the "Ministère des Inventions", the minimum speed expected is 140 km/h.
The plane is finished at the end of 1917 and starts its manufacturer tests at Villacoublay. After several modifications, the official tests begins the 10th mai 1918, Lt Lebeau is the pilot . The speed reached is 240 km/h (with a 180hp engine... ).

In 1918 part of the french military authorities is opposed to monoplanes. After the crash of a Morane-Saulnier monoplane, the Gourdou-Leseurre GL.a is retired. Its successor the Gourdou-Leseurre GL.b is built with a reinforced framework (one of the visible modification is the double "wing pylon" of the GL.b).

The GL-B3 was built in 1922-23, 20 were ordered.


Technical features (1) of the first Gourdou-Leseurre :

engine : 1 x 180 hp Hispano-Suiza 8 AB
wing span : 9,00 m
length : 6,60 m
height : 2,30 m
wing surface : 16,65m2
empty weight : 600 kg
all-up weight : 786 kg
max speed : 242 km/h
ceiling : 7000 m
range : 300 km
crew : 1


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- Avions n°23, 24, 25 (1995)
- Le Trait d'Union n°208 (2003)
- L'aviation de chasse française 1918-1940 - DOCAVIA n°2
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Hi Breguet,
Awww, you can't fool me! It's one of them there aaaa...
One Wingged Spads.
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First one or not, there appears to be one or more behind it!
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I do hate these sorts of decisions . Well Kees was early, but basically right. Rod, the next correct answer, only needs .2 to get his "Double Ace" status and Cruze supplied the fullest and best explaination of all. Sooooooo......I think I'll tidy a few things up .

.01 to Varese, .02 to Rod and the remaining .7 to Cruze.

So with Rod taking over again the scores are now


43.0 Varese2002
25.8 Dave_Kent
16.9 Rbailey
10.0 Rod Filan
8.3 YavorD
7.4 JohnMacG
7.0 Breguet
6.6 Cruze
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 EdStevens
5.4 Colin A. Owers
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Patrick
4.8 Der Grune Flieger
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.2 Gilles
4.0 greenknight
3.7 dpolglaze
3 Tom L
2.7 Berman
2.6 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
1.5 Kilian
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1 Rickenbaron
1 Peter Zambori
1 Gregoire
1 Doc
1 cubsfan4life
1 austin08
1 Cliff
.8 Machinbird
.6 Crankcase
.4 Vilkata
.2 Paul_J._Fisher
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