Can anyone ID these German propellers?

[josef scott]

Varesse2002,

According to Dan-San and Martin Digmayer, the Germans used Integral props as well. I am assuming that there was a German subsidiary making Chauvière's design under liscence.

Disregarding the Eisernes Kreuz decal on the propellers I posted, the circular emblem with star appears to be the same as the French logo.

The English version of the decal dispenses with the central wing and stylized "C", replacing it with Chauvière's signature. It also has English text on the circle: "The Integral Propeller Co. Ltd.", as opposed to "Integrale B.D.G.S.G. Patent D.R.P." on the French.

http://www.woodenpropeller.com/Integ..._-_Anzani.html

If there was indeed a German version of this prop, one would think that it would have German text on the circle.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by josef scott

Varese2002,

According to Dan-San and Martin Digmayer, the Germans used Integral props as well. I am assuming that there was a German subsidiary making Chauvière's design under liscence.

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Lucien Chauvière patented his propeller construction in different countries (I have found the Great Britain version GB190927545 accepted on 3 November 1910].
Chauvière had opened around that time propeller factories in France, Germany and Russia. Commercially the propeller was marketed as the Hélice Chauvière or the Hélice Integrale Chauvière.
After the beginning of the Great War the Chauvière propeller was built (without the licence) by Integral-Propeller-Werke GmbH at Frankfurt am Main. This firm together with the Garuda firm were the top two firms in propeller production in Germany during WW1.



I am not sure that this is the French version of the marking of the Chauvière propeller. It may be that we are looking at the German version. There is the following evidence. D.R.P. stands for Deutsches Reich Patent and B.S.G.D.G stands for Breveté sans garantie du gouvernement. But .... there is also another marking different from this one which is more likely the French version, proudly carrying the Chavière marque.



Kees

[Varese2002]

Josef, forgot to tell you that your decal looks very good. Though I would not think of doing some drawing myself, I have one suggestion. It looks ultra clean, I liked the weathered look of the original from 1917/1918. It has something to do that at the moment no new Fokker D.VII's are made, they are from 1918 and must be showing their age .

But, compliments for your drawings.

Kees

[josef scott]

Kees,

This is excellent information! I'm going to proceed with my Intergrale drawing as per the example until contrary evidence surfaces.

Thank you for your compliments. I did the drawing as a somewhat idealized version partly because all of my other drawings in my current project have been created in Adobe illustrator which gives very clean, easily scale-able vector images. Ideally, I should have hand-drawn the Germanic maiden to get some shading subtleties. I may yet revisit the decal in Photoshop to achieve a vintage appearance, but then again, if someone were interested in using the image to print a decal, it might be best to let them weather it themselves.

Thanks again!

[josef scott]

Here is my shot at an Integral decal. The feathers on the wings are rather arbitrary. I also included a version with the German name of the company around the band as a possible option.

I also found a photo of a French Nieuport 24bis with a propeller that has a decal remarkably similar to the ones on the Fokker machines...

[Varese2002]

Excellent work Josef . Will be on the lookout for pictures of propellers where firm markings can be seen, especially these Chauvière / Intégrale propellers.

Kees

[josef scott]

Thanks Kees.

I did a posting at woodenpropeller.com to see if i could find any more info over there.

I really need to find info on the Behrend & Rüggebrecht (B&R) decal.

[Varese2002]

Looking again at it, I think I see an 'accent aigue' making it INTÉGRALE in the German firm picture. It is very faint on the picture, but it (may) be there.

Kees

[josef scott]

I think you're correct. I will have to fix it.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by josef scott

Thanks Kees.

I did a posting at woodenpropeller.com to see if i could find any more info over there.

I really need to find info on the Behrend & Rüggebrecht (B&R) decal.

In the magazine Cross and Cockade International Volume 32 was a special article about German propellers:

Propellers
Axial propeller 32.088
Bechstein propeller 32.089
Behrend & Rüggebrecht propeller 32.089
ETA propeller 32.089
French aircraft propellers 32.092
Garuda propeller 32.090
German aircraft propellers 32.088
Heine propeller 32.091
Intégrale propeller 32.092
Kurt Fliegel propeller 32.090
Levasseur generator propeller 32.093
Normale propeller 32.092
Reschke generator propeller 32.093
Rupp propeller quick fastener 32.090
Sopwith Camel air pump propeller 32.093
Voisin propeller 32.092

Probably there is way to get hold of this

Kees