Roden 1/48 Junkers D.I

[jumpinjan]

Stephen,
Could you reference a photo with the Jfa one-piece turtledeck on it?
I still want a kit...
Jan

[StephenLawson]

Here is a bit of fun for you Jan.

[StephenLawson]

Now here is a Jfa machine where the corrugations are running parallel but it appears it is in two pieces. Note the disjointed corrugations at the base of the roll bar support. Note also the camouflage here is at least 3 colour. Note the date in the left corner.

[Kaiser Bill]

Ken...glad you got your new kit. The kit's problems not withstanding you'll do a great job...you always do.


Bill

[jumpinjan]

Stephen,
The second picture is not a production machine, the first one (unpainted) is the first production machine (pretty sure).
This prototype D.I (2nd picture) has the mid-fuselage vertical seam to join the front corrugation panel and the rear panel. The turtledeck panels, start at the rear of the diagonal brace of the roll bar, and that fuselage station is where that vertical seam is also located.
This is a confusing example to show everyone. To add to this confusion, Ian Stair modeled this D.I prototype in his drawings in Datafile 33. That was a bad choice on his part or whoever.
To reply to your 3-color comment, my guess is that the starboard wing is the green/mauve camo scheme, and the port wing is not, but could be all green or some low contrast color combination.

[StephenLawson]

Originally Posted by jumpinjan

Stephen,
The second picture is not a production machine, the first one (unpainted) is the first production machine (pretty sure).
This prototype D.I (2nd picture) has the mid-fuselage vertical seam to join the front corrugation panel and the rear panel. The turtledeck panels, start at the rear of the diagonal brace of the roll bar, and that fuselage station is where that vertical seam is also located.
This is a confusing example to show everyone. To add to this confusion, Ian Stair modeled this D.I prototype in his drawings in Datafile 33. That was a bad choice on his part or whoever.
To reply to your 3-color comment, my guess is that the starboard wing is the green/mauve camo scheme, and the port wing is not, but could be all green or some low contrast color combination.

Sorry Jan, I disagree. Again note the date in the lower left corner of the second image. The Jco prototpe came out much earlier 15 April 1918. The Jfa company did not have a prototype they used the data from Jco to begin production. You are right in that the first image is the premier Jfa production example. And as you had asked for an image of a one piece turtledeck, I posted it for you.

The second image came out about three months after the Jco prototype was completed (15 April 1918). Jfa had begun production post May 1918. Note if you will the images on Page 70 of Air Enthusiast 25. The two top images are labeled "might well be the prototype" but the camouflage schemes are not the same. (The colours are reversed). Note the area around the pilot's left side wing cross. These are two different aircraft. The lower one there and my second image here (same image but mine is not cropped) represent a Jfa production machine.


Its only confusing if you put them out of sequence. Since Mr. Stair can't speak to us on the choice I'll reserve judgement there. My camouflage comment was just a notation that there was a difference.

[jumpinjan]

Stephen,
You need a better source on your D.I info. You are getting too hung-up on dates. Let me be your source.
Firstly, the two pictures on page 70 are almost identical, with the exception that one has a windscreen, but their camo patterns are reasonably identical (I have better photos). Also, both photos have the same date (with the airplane repositioned with the sun to the camera man's back) . I firmly believe this D.I was built by Junkers (Jco) using evidence that you have not found in the picture yet. My hypothesis is that is a single airplane. It also appeared with the early, long fuselage D.I on the factory floor photo. None of the other operational photos of D.Is, look like this D.I. No other D.Is have this asymmetric wing painting.
I am still waiting to see the one-piece turtle deck that you know about?
Jan
PS Both pictures have identical symbology, "Junk D.I", with no serial numbers

[drIace]

Originally Posted by jumpinjan

Stephen,
Could you reference a photo with the Jfa one-piece turtledeck on it?
I still want a kit...
Jan

Contact Mike Taylor at : misterkitusa.com

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[Galloway]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Bill

Ken...glad you got your new kit. The kit's problems not withstanding you'll do a great job...you always do.


Bill

Thanks Bill,

Why not post some of your builds on drome, like the three Camels you just finished? Outstanding Job by the way!

Kenny

[StephenLawson]

Greetings Jan,

We tell the course of production by dates. Times and dates are what we do research by. I can not agree with you concerning your "hypothesis." It is simply not fact based. But aside from this I believe you mean well. We could mirco view these things but I am not after an agruement. I will let the membership choose their own source. If you cannot accept my data then I can only assume you have made up your mind. As for you being my source, pardon me I am afraid without fact based information I can't trust your conclusions.

One caution. If the two images on page 70 were taken at the same time but they simply moved the aircraft. Then why is the propeller sitting at a different angle? They would not have to start it to move it. Just pick up the tail and walk it around.

On the kit here is one concern I have. The 2 small instrument panels look reversed in their location. The four embossed disks for the switch levers have been placed on the left, butshould be on the right with an in dash starting magneto on the left. This is an easy fix simply turn it over and use sprue slices to replace and add more detail.