Breguet's Aircraft Challenge #347

[Breguet]

Originally Posted by Crimso

My sources says this: The revised design is believed to have been designated F.K.6 (and certainly not F.K.12 as has often been previously published)
It is from old magazine Air Enthusiast (1972 year, if I remember correctly, and don't remember who is author, will look tomorrow)
Same article is here:
Armstrong Whitworth F.K.6 - fighter

Yet the Koolhoven site lists it as the FK 12:

Koolhoven Aeroplanes Foundation

Maybe Kees can shed more light on this Dutch designer's AW designs.

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Breguet

Yet the Koolhoven site lists it as the FK 12:

Koolhoven Aeroplanes Foundation

Maybe Kees can shed more light on this Dutch designer's AW designs.

"WAR PLANES OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR

"FIGHTERS"

VOLUME ONE

GREAT BRITAIN"

by

J. M. BRUCE

1965

Pages 14 through 17, covers the ARMSTRONG-WHITWORTH F.K.12.
There is a three view drawing and three photographic images with captions, including the same one that Breguet originally posted, included are seven paragraphs describing the aircraft plus statistics.

Jack Bruce is well known for his five volume set, Volumes One, Two, and Three covering aircraft of great Britain and Volumes Four and Five on French aircraft. I believe these books predate the "PROFILE" series. I have been told that DOUBLE DAY PUBLISHING(THE BASTARDS!) didn't follow up on his next volumes dedicated to German aircraft. You can see his later works (for which he is better known) published as several in the "PROFILE" series and later in the "DATA FILE" series.

I rest my case.

Best Regards, FOKKERJ

[Doc]

Crimso's position is well-taken, as there is obviously a difference of opinion regarding the correct nomenclature of this aircraft. On his referenced web page, the aircraft is shown as serial 7838, which according to Bruce Robertson's book on British Military Aircraft Serials was designated as the sole FK-12. I have no other documentation that Robertson and Mason's "The British Fighter since 1912". I guess I am up for the next challenge-- will try to find an interesting one and post it later today. Doc

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Breguet

Yet the Koolhoven site lists it as the FK 12:
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Maybe Kees can shed more light on this Dutch designer's AW designs.

The correct designations of the designs of Frits Koolhoven ('Frederick Koolhoven') is one of the mysteries of aviation history. All great historians have tried to crack this nut .

Much study has been made in the following Dutch language books on the designs of Koolhoven:

(1) Dik Top. Frits Koolhoven en zijn vliegtuigproduktie. Repro-Holland, 1996.

(2) Theo Wesselink, Thijs Postma. Koolhoven - Nederlands vliegtuigbouwer in de schaduw van Fokker. Romen, Haarlem. 1981. ISBN 9022838900

Much confusion is the result of Koolhoven himself, who made sometime in the thirties a list (from his memory) of all his designs untill then. To say the least his recollection was unrealiable from the early times up to the F.K. 22 in 1918. Dik Top in his book gives a double list linking the Koolhoven recollection to the possible correct historical designations (, that's what it says there).

About this Triplane in this double list is says [Koolhoven recollection list]:

*F.K.12* Armstrong Whitworth Triplane (first version of this triplane)
*F.K.12B* Armstrong Whitworth Triplane (second version - the one of this Challenge - 7836)

The possible correct historical designation of these machines is given as:

F.K.5 Armstrong Whitworth Triplane (first version of the triplane)
F.K.6 Armstrong Whitworth Triplane (second version - 7836)

The correct designation of this one-only machine is than Armstrong Whitworth F.K.12B [Frederick Koohoven list - 1930's] or Armstrong Whitworth F.K.6 [the possible historical correct designation].

For once you see again theat Internet is good medium, but just as with books, when new information / evidence comes up it must be incorporated in the information that is alreadfy there,

An example of incorporating evidence is the RAF Museum Thesaurus who have chosen here for the designations F.K.5 and F.K.6 for the two versions of the Armstrong Whitworth triplane. But .... they still have left in the F.K.12 [Frederick Koolhoven list]

But, I rest my case.

Cheers

Kees

[Breguet]

It may not be fair, but neither is combat. C'est la Guerre, Crimso I'll stick to my original decision.

[Crimso]

It's OK, nevermind. Points is not a point for this Challenges