More A/C Ids wanted, please

[AHC-ED]

A couple more photos of German aircraft that I'm having difficulty identifying so if anyone out there can help I would be much obliged.
Thanks in advance.

[Cigogne]

Left-hand photo: Halberstadt CL.II
Right-hand photo: It is more difficult to discern. The cockpit is very far forward... it looks like an early DFW, LVG B or C, Rumpler, or Aviatik, but certain features don't match up with any of these 100%. The right wing panel (upper) is a replacement from an earlier aircraft.

[Rick]

The Halberstadt Cl.II's in the left photo would appear to be from Schlasta 27b. But you should really check with Dan-San. R.

[Gregvan]

Hi,

Good to see you posting again, Rick! The Halberstadt CL.IIs are indeed from Schlasta 27b, one of a series of official publicity/propaganda photos taken of the aircraft being prepared and "bombed up". Wish I had a good print of that photo!

Greg

[FOKKERJ]

Hi AHC-ED,

I have never seen this foto of: "The Halberstadt CL.IIs are indeed from Schlasta 27b, one of a series of official publicity/propaganda photos taken of the aircraft being prepared and "bombed up"." I have seen another popular foto from the same shoot, even have a copy.

The other machine may be an L.V.G. B type III, I can't find a perfect match either. The radiused stabilizer is a key to identifying it. The L.V.G. B.I's stabilizer sits on top of the fuselage aft just like this one, but does not appear to be radiused as much or at all on my fotografs. It could be an early "C" type for as much as I could not find!

Best Regards, FOKKERJ

[Froggy]

Bonjour a tous!

Jay what do you think about The LVG B I?
It was the first and sole LVG early B and C type without cut-out on upper wing
(which appeared with LVG B II)-The cockpit position too let me think it is a BI
(the rear cockpit was farther aft for BII)
here is a photo of The LVG B I


Good WE
Cordialement
Bruno

[Flamingo]

Originally Posted by Froggy

Bonjour a tous!

Jay what do you think about The LVG B I?
It was the first and sole LVG early B and C type without cut-out on upper wing
(which appeared with LVG B II)-The cockpit position too let me think it is a BI
(the rear cockpit was farther aft for BII)



Cordialement
Bruno

I agree on everything but this fuselage looks so strangely short

Joachim

[Rod_Filan]

Must be an LVG. C.II I think.




Cheers
Rod

[Flamingo]

Hi folks,

my remark about the short fuselage was not meant to cast any doubt on it's B.I identity as the lack of a wing cut out and the cockpit position forward of the cabane strut are only to be found on the B.I. The B.II had the rear seat aft of the cabane strut as can be seen on this picture of the Krakau machine before restauration



Both C.I and C.II had the gun ring aft of the struts.

But after studying the photograph again I discovered a few irritating details besides the the short fuselage. In my opinion the stabilizer seems a bit short and too blunt, the upper longeron does not bend down at the strut position and we cannot see the angled edge of the metal side panel.

If we look at the ailerons there seems to be no "kink" which can be seen on almost all pictures regardless of quality or distance.

Compare the wing crosses: on the right we have an early style further inboard, on the left there is a later style with a mismatch of the cross (replacement aileron!).

In all probability this is a training ship - a more experienced pilot would have avoided the tree - with a number of "repair modifications" with non standard parts. But still I would say it is more a B.I than anything else!

@ Rod_Filan : Thank you for this fine photograph. The aircraft in the foreground is a bavarian produced B.I
( Otto ) with wire trailing edge to the ailerons.

It's the machine in the background that is most puzzling. The ailerons have the LVG kink and and the fin and rudder look fairly LVG like, but the horizontal tailplanes ( AEG ?) and the fuselage (Albatros ?) are totally different from anything LVG did . It has a rounded top decking, separate cockpits and no bending down of the upper longerons. And what is this triangular thing in the center of the upper wing? Can you read the number/ inscription on your original? If so please post it.

Joachim

[AHC-ED]

Thanks to everyone with the help in identification. You are all extremely observant and I hope that you have had some fun -and continue to do so!- with the work. I hadn't spotted the mismatch of the crosses on the upper wings which adds another dimension to the puzzle!
Cheers!!