Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #398

[Varese2002]

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #398

A classical looking plane, but what is it



Have a good time with this one.

Kees

The Scoreboard at the start of #398:

75.2 Varese2002
55.4 Dave_Kent
38.6 Rbailey
15.5 YavorD
13.3 Rod Filan
13.0 Froggy
8.8 Cruze
7.7 Dan-San
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.1 Colin A. Owers
7.0 Breguet
7.0 Flamingo
6.7 EdStevens
6.3 Patrick
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.7 Ampovandak
5.7 Aquilius
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.5 Kilian
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 austin08
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 sobrien
0.8 GregE
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Precedent challenges: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

"The small print" :

The thread title must be "Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Dave_Kent]

How about the Empire State Trainer?

Dave

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Dave_Kent

How about the Empire State Trainer?
Dave

Hi Dave. I had to look up the machine given by you. It is built by the Empire State Aircraft Corporation in 1916 and known as the 'Military Tractor'. When I saw it, I immediately saw that this was another plane than the one from Challenge #398.

To give a hint, it is a 1914 built and flown machine. Another hint is this picture, not that it may clarify much, but it is the second picture of this machine. AFAIK there are no more. I realize we are on the climb to the mighty top of 400 Breguet challenges. The challenges are getting worse the closer you come to the top



Cheers

Kees

[Froggy]

Bonsoir

May be a Swedish Thulin biplane

Cordialement
Bruno

[GregE]

Hi folks,
This appears to be the German Sommer Arrow Biplane powered by a 100hp Gnome rotary.
Cheers
Greg

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by GregE

Hi folks,
This appears to be the German Sommer Arrow Biplane powered by a 100hp Gnome rotary.
Cheers
Greg

Certainly a development of this German Sommer Arrow Biplane (pfeil doppeldecker) powered by a 100hp Gnome rotary.




Cheers
Rod

[Rbailey]

Find the picture here:
Flight PDF Archive - JUNE 5, 1914. I/DGHT| The

[GregE]

Hi RBailey,
That was my reference too but the description (on the previous page) wasn't very forthcoming aside from the name and powerplant - only that it was built for the Prince Henry Circuit.
Cheers
Greg

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by GregE

Hi folks,
This appears to be the German Sommer Arrow Biplane powered by a 100hp Gnome rotary.
Cheers
Greg

Greg has it. The machine was built by the Deutsche Sommer-Flugzeugwerke GmbH in Darmstadt in 1914. The firm was directed by Robert Sommer who was not related to the famous French early flier and aircraft builder Roger Sommer. This firm was no licence firm for building the French machines in Germany, but actually built 5 different machines from 1911 till 1914.

This machine is from 1914, fitted with a 100 hp Gnome rotary and it participated in the Prinz Heinrich Flug 1914, of which more later. I have information that England ordered 25 examples, which were not delivered owing to the war. If this is true ............... Never read something about it.

The machine presented by Rod is the 'Hoch-Tief' Biplane from 1912, which was named in that way because of the fitting of the fuselage between the wings. Machine was not very succesfull. This is probably the only known picture of this machine.

So the point goes to Greg, who has the honour to deliver #399 of the Challenge.


The Scoreboard at the start of #398:

75.2 Varese2002
55.4 Dave_Kent
38.6 Rbailey
15.5 YavorD
13.3 Rod Filan
13.0 Froggy
8.8 Cruze
7.7 Dan-San
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.1 Colin A. Owers
7.0 Breguet
7.0 Flamingo
6.7 EdStevens
6.3 Patrick
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.7 Ampovandak
5.7 Aquilius
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.8 GregE
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.5 Kilian
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 austin08
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 sobrien
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Precedent challenges: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

"The small print" :

The thread title must be "Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.