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15 September 2008, 06:41 PM
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I know I have seen this picture somewhere recently ! Dang.
If it isn't a Gotha, then it is probably one of the R-planes. I see the biplane tail unit and width of the wing section appears much too wide for a Gotha. One of the R.VI.s? |
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15 September 2008, 08:46 PM
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Someone has been playing around with the fuselage area between the cross and tail section.....
 I'm sticking with one of the Staaken R-planes because of that biplane tail structure - I'm leaning toward an R.VI, however, it may be an earlier model due the cross field being on a white background.   
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16 September 2008, 12:43 AM
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Zeppelin Staaken R
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Thanks for posting this image.  I now have four downloads of this image and have only seen it once ( prior to your posting from Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket), that was with annoying pop-ups on the pdf! Hi ONEALM, I saw those Eisenkreuse too! On the wing first, then the fuselage. I gave up due to annoying pop-ups. Quote:
AROTH is on the right walk way. My information says that a total of eighteen Zeppelin Staaken R. VI's were built, three R. XIV's, three R.XV's, one Seeflugzeug R.VI, and three other seaplanes incorporating features of the R.VI, R.XIV, and the R.XV. All other models were one-offs (single examples). 1917 style Eisenkreuse easily fits the R.IV and the R.V, the R.III foto that I have is much earlier design of Eisenkreuse. The markings on the tail (curved cross) would give a definitive answer on whether it is an R.III. The R.III had six 160 h.p. Mercedes engines in tandem pairs located three places: port side wing, starboard wing, and the nose. The R.IV had had no less than four wing mounted 220 h.p. Benz engines, not sure about the nose! The R.V had five Maybach engines in the standard locations. It appears to come down to either the R.IV or the R.V! Not much else detail to be gleaned from the image that you have offered us. 1917 style Eisenkreuse easily fits both of the R.IV and the R.V. I lean to the R.IV, but without further details I can not tell which it is for sure. HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ 
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16 September 2008, 11:37 AM
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 Flamingo ,you got it It's the VGO I rebuilt as the RML I after its crashed in the night of 1/9/1916 at Alt-Auz (eastern front ) By the way ,it was fully loaded ( fuel and bombs ! ) It was then one more time rebuilt ,and crashed at Staaken on the 10/3/1917 . The scoreboard is now 34.3 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 28.0 Rbailey 27.0 Froggy 19.60 Breguet 17.15 YavorD 13.3 Flamingo 09.75 Aquilius 08.3 Varese2002 08.0 ONEALM 08.25 AROTH 08.20 Richard B 07.6 Rod_Filan 07.9 Gregvan 05.75 Ross 05.7 Jeroplan 05.5 Expositor 05.5 Gilles 05.0 Dan_San 05.0 Kilian 04.0 Edmond 04.0 Eric 04.0 Laserlloyd 03.5 sergio_vitalio 03.3 PaulForster 03.2 Colin A Owers 03.2 Crankcase 03.0 Crimso 03.0 Patrick 02.7 Tbstreet 02.0 Cruze 02.0 Rickenbaron 01.8 gregorydquist 01.8 Tom L 01.5 Nieuport 14 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.0 '14-'18aviationcollector 01.0 Ampovandak 01.0 Berman 01.0 brisfitworks 01.0 Cliff 01.0 Pvernon 01.0 rammjaeger 01.0 RONNY BAR 01.0 Troy Raines 00.5 Miroslav Pokorny 00.1 SCMc We are now waiting for the #293 Cheers Richard |
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16 September 2008, 11:44 AM
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V.G.O. I, RML-1 (Reichs Marine Landflugzueg 1), crashed into a pine tree forest in August 1916 due to engine problems. It was basically totalled except for the fuselage, which was salvaged, and sent back to Staaken for new wings, etc.
The fuselage in this pic looks fairly intact and there is a picture of the RML-1 taken from the starboard side of the crash with the same style cross in "The German Giants". Can't tell if it is the same one from the angle, but the circumstances seem to match over the descriptions of the other R-plane crashes. |
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16 September 2008, 03:26 PM
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The scoreboard is now
34.3 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 28.0 Rbailey 27.0 Froggy 19.60 Breguet 17.15 YavorD 13.3 Flamingo 09.75 Aquilius 08.3 Varese2002 08.25 AROTH 08.20 Richard B 08.0 ONEALM 07.9 Gregvan 07.6 Rod_Filan 05.75 Ross 05.7 Jeroplan 05.5 Expositor 05.5 Gilles 05.0 Dan_San 05.0 Kilian 04.0 Edmond 04.0 Eric 04.0 Laserlloyd 03.5 sergio_vitalio 03.3 PaulForster 03.2 Colin A Owers 03.2 Crankcase 03.0 Crimso 03.0 Patrick 02.7 Tbstreet 02.0 Cruze 02.0 Rickenbaron 01.8 gregorydquist 01.8 Tom L 01.5 Nieuport 14 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.0 '14-'18aviationcollector 01.0 Ampovandak 01.0 Berman 01.0 brisfitworks 01.0 Cliff 01.0 Pvernon 01.0 rammjaeger 01.0 RONNY BAR 01.0 Troy Raines 00.5 Miroslav Pokorny 00.1 SCMc We are now waiting for the #293 Cheers P.S. I posted this as I did not see richard B's score, just a blank spot! Silly me, he had moved up and had not disappeared as I had originally thought. HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ Last edited by FOKKERJ; 16 September 2008 at 09:28 PM. Reason: Added post script. |
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