Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #467

[matte_kudasai]

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge No. 466.

90.0 Varese2002 ¤
59.5 Dave_Kent ¤
50.9 Rbailey ¤
18.95 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
15.5 Froggy
13.3 Rod Filan
12.3 Aquilius
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.8 richard B
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.7 matte_kudasai
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 airplane176
1.0 austin08
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 matte_kudasai
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

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[Rbailey]

This couldn't be another Burgess could it? The rudder shape resembles the type S.

[Rbailey]

Northern Aviatik Type 12 Rudder shape fits, and it seems to be twin-engined. I should add that it is Swedish, and a similar picture is in Jane's

[matte_kudasai]

You just found it!
This is Nordiska Aviatik Bolagets (NAB) Type 12. American roots is evident - this is copy of Twin JN with floats. I thought to post the picture from Janes that you found but later discover this article: NAB12
As I understood swedish language, it was tested in june 1918.

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge No. 467.

90.0 Varese2002 ¤
59.5 Dave_Kent ¤
51.9 Rbailey ¤
18.95 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
15.5 Froggy
13.3 Rod Filan
12.3 Aquilius
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.8 richard B
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.7 matte_kudasai
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 airplane176
1.0 austin08
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 matte_kudasai
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

[Rbailey]

A nice challenge - I had not been able to find anything on Northern Aviatik machines except what was in Jane's. Now, what were the other 11 types?

My challenge this evening.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by matte_kudasai

You just found it!
This is Nordiska Aviatik Bolagets (NAB) Type 12. American roots is evident - this is copy of Twin JN with floats. I thought to post the picture from Janes that you found but later discover this article: NAB12
As I understood swedish language, it was tested in june 1918.-----

The N.A.B. Type 12 had a tragic end.

When the Finnish civil war broke out in January 1918 it created a new market for NAB, which previously had only delivered to the Swedish state. Primarily through donations and collections in Sweden, Finland was able to buy the NAB Type 12 machine in March 1918.
The machine was equipped with two 110 hp Scania Vabis engines and flown to Furusund June 9, 1918 for testing. On June 28, 1918 it started on its delivery flight from Djursholm to Turku in Finland. Pilot was testpilot Krokstedt accompanied by managing director Cederström. A course was set over the Sea of Åland.

The plane never arrived - Krokstedt and Cederström were lost without any trace. Wreck pieces of the aircraft were found, but no survivors were found.

Translated (freely) from the Swedish.

By the way other types of N.A.B. were Type 9 and Type 17, both licence built Albatros biplanes, both waiting in the wings to be displayed in a coming Challenge (kidding ).

Cheers

Kees

[matte_kudasai]

On one of the forums somewhere in the internet I found this info about other types:

Nordiska Aviatik AB (NAB) was formed in 1916 by Carl Cederström and Lars Fjällbäck, who had left Södertelge Verkstäders Aviatikavdelning (SW).

Three types of aircraft were built:
NAB 9 (copy of Albatros B.II) - nine built 1917-1918
NAB 12 (licence Curtiss Twin JN on floats) - one built 1918
NAB 17 fighter (constructor Lars Fjällbäck) - one built 1918

A number of projects remained unbuilt:
NAB 10 (possibly the designation of a twin engined passenger plane)
NAB 11 (licence Curtiss Twin JN)
NAB 13 (modified copy of Albatros B.II)
NAB 14 (NAB 13 on floats)
NAB 15 (possibly the designation of a modified Curtiss H-4 to be built under licence)
NAB 16 (twin engined floatplane) unnamed: another modified copy of Albatros B.II (1918)

In 1921 NAB acted as agent for Soviet Russia who sought to buy De Havilland DH 9s from England and ex-German Mercedes engines from Sweden.

Source of my information: Svenska Flygplan by Lennart Andersson (Förlag Allt om Hobby, Stockholm, 1990)

[Rbailey]

The 9 and 17 are also in Jane's.