Breguet's ID aircraft challenge # 481

[richard B]

And here we go for the #481
Many thanks to all of you playing with us .

The picture is good ,but I don't believe the ID easy ,but who knows ?

At your bookshelves !


Scoreboard at the end of Challenge No. 480 :

91.0 Varese2002 ¤
60.5 Dave_Kent ¤
51.9 Rbailey ¤
19.95 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.5 Froggy
13.3 Aquilius
13.3 Rod Filan
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.8 richard B
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.7 matte_kudasai
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 airplane176
1.0 AROTH
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

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[bboelke]

It looks like a aero 501 because of the profile of the engine. looks simmilar and the copit positon is the same. here is a side view attached. is this right or am i horrible wrong.

[richard B]

It's not an Aero 501 , sorry.

[bboelke]

well then i am stumped.

[Aquilius]

Originally Posted by bboelke

well then i am stumped.

bboelke, you´re not the only one...


I have an idea but nothing to prove it.
Only the good thing is, I can stay the night in bed.


Aquilius

[Rbailey]

I think we need some help on this. Is it a US machine? It has some slight resemblence to one of the Curtiss R's, but nothing I have seen.

[richard B]

Hello
It's from an European neutral country ,built in 1917.
I know only this picture,with very few text .
FOR ME ,it seems to have been influenced by the Aviatik B ,don't it ?

And now

[Breguet]

Going on your clue (as I can't find a photo except of the type 9 which bears a similar rudder) is it a Swedish Northern Aviatic Biplane type 10?

[richard B]

No ,Breguet ,sorry .
Really ,I don't know if it is related with Aviatik in any way .
It was just a guess ...

[Varese2002]

Given Richard B. clues, I have the following logic :

- a neutral country => Switzerland (Suisse)

- influence by Aviatik => hint at Robert Wild who designed with Aviatik and later with the Italian S.A.M.L. Got an order to design a plane (Wild WBT) in 1915 for the Swiss army flyers, which was a remarkable look alike from the Aviatiks (as were the S.A.M.L. also).

- 1917 and one only built

Auf der Suche nach einem leistungsfähigen Kampfflugzeug erhielt Ing. Robert Ackerman den Entwicklungsauftrag für das Flugzeug «Wild Spezial», das von Robert Wild gebaut wurde. Die Erprobung im Jahre 1917 befriedigte nicht. Das Flugzeug endete im Dach des Restaurants Löwen in Schlieren.

So after this logic I end up with the Wild Spezial designed by Ing. Robert Ackerman, which was unsuccesful in 1917 and ended up on the roof of restaurant Löwen in Schlieren.

No pictures known to me

Cheers

Kees