Breguet's ID aircraft challenge # 481

[richard B]

Sorry Varese ,it's not the clue

I repeat ,the Aviatik influence was just a guess .
When I saw at first the picture I thought our mystery plane could be Wild related too ,but I HAVE NOT ANY INFO ,those ideas are pure speculations .

good luck
Richard

[Varese2002]

A new one in the lottery

The picture has somewhere - I think - a Spanish flavour in it. As Spain was neutral in WW1 that might make an opening.

The machine could be one of the types produced by the A.M.E [Aeronautica Militar Espanola]

Cheers

Kees

[richard B]

It's spanish ,but not A.M.E .

(btw, I don't believe that Breguet agrees the "flavour" as an valid ID argument)

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by richard B

It's spanish ,but not A.M.E .

(btw, I don't believe that Breguet agrees the "flavour" as an valid ID argument)

Exactly, it was just guessing as in a lottery Surely no points for identification.

Cheers

Kees

[Aquilius]

Hmmm, Richard, it´s a spanish design and posssibly powered by a Hispano-Suiza engine...

I found this note:

1916. Presentación del aeroplano de la C.E.C.A. construido en Santander
En el aeródromo militar de Cuatro Vientos tuvo lugar el 5 de febrero la presentación del aeroplano construido por la fábrica CECA de Santander. Se trataba de un biplano de reconocimiento provisto de un motor Hispano Suiza de 140 CV.

translation:
1916. Presentation of an C.E.C.A aircraft built in Santandér
At the military aerodrome Cuatra Vientos [Madrid] the presentation of an aeroplane constructed by C.E.C.A. took place on February 5th. It concerns a reconnaissance biplane powered by a Hispano-Suiza engine of 140 hp.

Is it photographed in 1917? or a following C.E.C.A. Reconnaissance Biplane (Campañía Española de Construcciones Aeronáuticas) from Santandér, northern Spain, which I will try now.

Just that´s all I could get until now. Do you have another hint what to look after?


Cheers

Aquilius

[richard B]

I have only this pic ,with very little specifications .
You are right ,the engine is an Hispano 140 hp.

Btw ,what means CECA ?

[richard B]

Sorry ,I din't saw the answer at my CECA question :

So far I know ,the plane was not built at Santander .

Cheers
Richard

[Varese2002]

The answer of this plane surely lies in this book

Lage, Manuel, S. J. Sánchez-Renedo, and M. Viejo. 2004. Hispano Suiza in aeronautics: men, companies, engines, and aircraft. Warrendale, Pa: SAE International.

This book examines Hispano Suiza's evolution and the technological advances of its engines. Starting with circumstances that favored the creation of an indigenous aviation engine, the story follows engine development for a breadth of applications, particularly aviation engines, and describes, in parallel, the birth and development of aircraft in Spain by Campañía Española de Construcciones Aeronáuticas (CECA), La Hispano, La Hispano Aircraft, La Hispano Suiza, SAF-5, SAF-15, and La Hispano Aviación.

The table of contents of this book can be found here.

As the machine is obviously powered by a Hispano-Suiza and was built / flew in 1917 and it is not from CECA or Barrón it must be in the category 'Other Spanish Hispano Suiza V-8-Engined Aircraft'

Cheers

Kees

[Aquilius]

Great Challenge, Richard!
I want to know more than just the name of that bird.

Originally Posted by Varese2002

The answer of this plane surely lies in this book

...Kees

Yip Kees, this book was the only thing I could find in the web by looking after what is C.E.C.A.
"Other Spanish Hispano-Suiza aircraft" seems to be the closest we can get through the web...

At the "Web de Historia de la Aviación" in the list of Aviones desarrollados en España is noted only:

"1917. During the war aircrafts were designed by engineers like Captain Eduardo Barrón."

Richard, is it another Barrón Flecha (arrow) Biplane from 1917?
(wasn´t his model "W" ready for service just in 1917? But that definetely looked different!)

Otherwise I can only ask for something different to look after.


Cheers

Aquilius

[richard B]

Quote :
""1917. During the war aircrafts were designed by engineers like Captain Eduardo Barrón.""

I see a " s " at the end of engineerS .It's NOt a Barr'on, sorry

(I know 2 more planes from the very same stable, so more than one source must exist )