Breguet's Crashfile ID Challenge #318b

['14-'18aviationcollector]

Sorry about the delay people. My caption says something completely different ..... keep talking to me ..... what else can you guys come up with? I do have a further clue if you need it

[richard B]

Maybe of some help ?


http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/ai...-id-301-a.html

[crankcase]

Originally Posted by Jeroplan

No, it's obviously a HF.20!

Boris

Nice try Boris... we might have been able to split a point "gaming" the system.
Back to the drawing board!
marc

[Froggy]

Originally Posted by '14-'18aviationcollector

Sorry about the delay people. My caption says something completely different ..... keep talking to me ..... what else can you guys come up with? I do have a further clue if you need it

Hello Aviation collector

I wonder really if your caption is right ?
I dont see anything else than a Henri farman (probably HF 20) for this aircraft
or may be a license built one
Anyway I am very interested in a further clue...

Cordialement
Bruno

[Aquilius]

Could it be something russian?

The furniture factory "DUX" built several Farman copies, only their own "designs" DUX Military Type 1912 and the armed DUX 1 didn´t had a covered fuselage-nacelle, as I remember.

But how about the Porohovschikov IV (or Porokhovschikov if you want) of 1917 that looked quite similar?


[Hans James Schwade went to France where he learned flying with Farman. When he went home to Germany he brought a "Farman biplane" with him and built a few copies of it for the flying school he opened in Erfurt.
These must be Farman HF 20s.
Don´t know if this counts as an own design, though they were probably powered with Schwade Stahlherz engines, but this type is sometimes called "Schwade Miliärdoppeldecker" (military-miplane).]


Cheers

Aquilius

[Breguet]

Time for a clue David.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Aquilius

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But how about the Porohovschikov IV (or Porokhovschikov if you want) of 1917 that looked quite similar?

Cheers

Aquilius

In Cyrillic it is Пороховщиков

Cheers

Kees

['14-'18aviationcollector]

Originally Posted by richard B

Maybe of some help ?


http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/ai...-id-301-a.html

Thanks for that Richard B, that is potentially helpful. Here is the full photo, before I censored what I assume is the serial number. I can't find my copy of British serial numbers by JM Bruce just at the moment, but Gordon very kindly informed me that this number falls within a batch of Farmans, except that they are preceeded by an A ....

Yes my caption could be wrong, that is a possibility.

['14-'18aviationcollector]

Somewhere I saw a photo of a Farman with almost the same serial number. I thought it was in this link (the one that Richard B posted, to CF#301) but it must have been elsewhere on this site. I apologise for the confusion. My caption identifies this as another type other than those mentioned so far, and the caption could be wrong. Maybe the Lord of the files could help me with a ruling here. In the meantime I will try to find the other photo, it might give an indication of the correct type. If I find the photo I will post it. The photo I posted in the previous message is the original version of the current crash file, #318b.

Best wishes and I am sorry about the confusion.

['14-'18aviationcollector]

I was unable to edit the previous title, so I've started again with a new post. That is in fact the photo I was thinking of but I incorrectly thought that there was a serial number visible on the side of the nacelle. The serial number was in fact provided by the Lord of the Files himself, and was given as HF F (sic) 20 A 1734. There is a possibility, and it really is only speculation on my part that the photo I have posted could be of A 1724, only 10 serial machines prior to A 1734, the photo of which was posted by Breguet. Of course this could just be coincidence, and its' number really could be 1724 without the A prefix. I hope this helps. Cheers, David.