Breguet's ID aircraft challenge # 493

[Varese2002]

Breguet's ID aircraft challenge # 493

It might be difficult to top the rarity of #492, but this one although looking very common may have some stings in the back Please give as complete a designation as possible.



Have a good search

Kees

The scoreboard at the start of #493 is

93.0 Varese2002
61.5 Dave_Kent ¤
51.9 Rbailey ¤
20.3 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
14.3 Aquilius
13.3 Rod Filan
9.8 richard B
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.7 matte_kudasai
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
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6.0 Eric Goedkoop
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5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
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0.4 Vilkata
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0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

And the rules :


•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Rbailey]

Could be Loire et Olivier LeO 4/1; rotary engine, 2-bay, low set top wing. My picture is from a different angle so doesn't show some of the detals.

[Aquilius]

Don´t know if there is a connection with the company of Fernand Lioré and
Henri Olivier?

It has a little looking like the french way of enlarging machines and could be an ancestor of the Caudron C 27 but I believe it is of british origin.

Is it only my impression or does it have back stagger?
The engine might be a Clerget (200 hp 11-cylinder Eb?) what led me to say it´s a late war developement. Only the rather simply strut-arragement might be unlikely then.

Was it designed as an high-altitude, long-range interceptor for the british home defence?
So far I haven´t found a real match.
Thinking of the centre struts - it could be one of the Avro 520ies.
Not that much till now.


Cheers

Aquilius

[Dave_Kent]

The colour scheme certainly looks British and the machine has a somewhat Sopwith look. This might be the Port Victoria Grain Griffin N. 101 powered by a Bentley B.R. 2.

Dave

[Varese2002]

All answers till now are not correct. You will have to do some more digging

Cheers

Kees

[matte_kudasai]

Engine cowling and two-bay equal wings is like Spyker-Trompenburg V.2 or V.4. Though, fuselage is of different shape, and wing tips too squared...

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by matte_kudasai

Engine cowling and two-bay equal wings is like Spyker-Trompenburg V.2 or V.4. Though, fuselage is of different shape, and wing tips too squared...

Not correct, this is no Spyker. The Spyker V.4 never left the drawing board. There survives one drawing, which pictures the V.4 with a single bay wing.

Cheers

Kees

[Rbailey]

Would it by any chance be the Salmson 2 D2 - the Clerget 9B engined trainer version of the 2 A2? The wing cellule seems to fit.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

Would it by any chance be the Salmson 2 D2 - the Clerget 9B engined trainer version of the 2 A2? The wing cellule seems to fit.

Hi Ron, not correct, but the Salmson 2 D2 has a good likeliness from this side. Some more searching to do

Cheers

Kees

[ermeio]

it seems to be a Spad (I will check - could be something among Spad 11 or 16)

Er Me