Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge # 496

[Varese2002]

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge # 496

A new one in the road to the jubilee No.500. As that one should be very special this is a more ordinary one. Have a go at this one

Cheers

Kees



The scoreboard at the start of #496 is

94.0 Varese2002
61.5 Dave_Kent ¤
52.9 Rbailey ¤
21.3 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
14.3 Aquilius
13.3 Rod Filan
9.8 richard B
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.7 matte_kudasai
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 AROTH
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 Albatros_Ace
1.0 airplane176
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 Rexee
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge Records: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 - Breguet's Aircraft Challenge --

The rules :

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Dave_Kent]

Based on the splayed “I” struts, the Hannover C. IV

[richard B]

Wings "V " struts ,aileron ,spinner are my clues :

It's a Hannover (HAWA) C IV

(CL IV for some sources,but with it's 1.4 t weight against the 1.1 t of the CLII ,III,and V ,I think it lost the " L ")

The CL were "Schlachtflugzeuge" and our bird was a " Kampfzweisitzer" ,so it was " C"

[Varese2002]

Congratulations both on solving this difficult head on view so quickly. As the caption of this picture gives the machine as a CL.IV, I checked it out.

The Hannoversche Waggonfabrik AG, HAWA at Hannover-Linden built the following series of machines in the C and CL range, where the Roman numerals were in one row.

So we have the HAWA C.I (licence built Aviatik C.I), the HAWA CL.II (a light Schlachtflugzeug, loaded 1125 kg), the HAWA CL.III (further development of the CL.II Schlachtflugzeug, loaded 1014 kg), the HAWA C.IV (a Kampfzweisitzer, loaded 1395 kg) and the HAWA CL.V (Kampfzweisitzer, loaded 1080 kg).
By the way there was also a HAWA CLS.I Kampfdoppeldecker.

Although Dave was the first, I give Richard a small part of the point (0.1) because of his focusing and clarification on the CL.IV / C.IV issue.

Challenge #497 is for Dave.

Cheers

Kees

The scoreboard at the end of #496 is

94.0 Varese2002
62.4 Dave_Kent ¤
52.9 Rbailey ¤
21.3 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
14.3 Aquilius
13.3 Rod Filan
9.9 richard B
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.7 matte_kudasai
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 AROTH
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 Albatros_Ace
1.0 airplane176
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 Rexee
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge Records: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 - Breguet's Aircraft Challenge --

The rules :

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.