Breguet's Aicraft Id challenge #498

[richard B]

The 500th is not a long way

So an easy one to reach the #499 .


The scoreboard at the end of #497 is

94.0 Varese2002
62.4 Dave_Kent ¤
52.9 Rbailey ¤
21.3 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
14.3 Aquilius
13.3 Rod Filan
10.9 richard B
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.7 matte_kudasai
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L 12hours waiting
4.7 dpolglaze No waiting
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 AROTH
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 Albatros_Ace
1.0 airplane176
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 Rexee
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher


The rules :

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.
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[Varese2002]

Richard, I think you are joking

So an easy one to reach the #499

I would count this one in as an early Gotha Land Doppeldecker (LD) type
, the LD 1. Recognition features are the two bay wing with distinctive edge and the completely 'covered' engine (here a rotary Gnome 100 hp). Machine was a two-seat training plane, dating from 1914.

Cheers

Kees

[richard B]

Hi Varese ,

I was not joking at all
The picture is pretty good, and was published .( Unfotunaly I don't have any original material )
By the way ,you were 2 h18min too soon for answering :Perhaps asleep after one night researshing ?

Sorry it' not a Gotha

Let try again ,but only at 9.44 AM

[Flamingo]

Richard,

in Pawlas LD 20 it's called the Aviatik PG 20 Kavallerie Doppeldecker of 1914.
In Bruno Lange the nearest should be the P 20 Renndoppeldecker with Gnome.

[matte_kudasai]

Typical Aviatik tail and rotary engine gives out Aviatik P.20.
According to Grosz, there was 2 prototypes with 100-hp Oberursel rotary. First with comma-shaped rudder and different engine cowl, it's photo was in Flight, August 18, 1914. Second was damaged at Prinz Heinrich Flug in May 1914, but later was evaluated by German Fliegertruppe.
Licence was sold to Schwade & Co., and was built 8 or 10 machines with 100-hp Schwade Stahlherz. They used in Schwade training school.
As prototype on photo has dark-painted cowl, I think that in the challenge photo is Schwade-built Aviatik P.20.

[richard B]

Guten Morgen ,Flamingo !

Vielleicht zu einfach ?

You have got it and the honour to post the 499

Thank you Matte for your comprehensive answer.But just a little min too late
Btw what is the Grosz book you are refering to ?



The scoreboard at the end of #498 is

94.0 Varese2002
62.4 Dave_Kent ¤
52.9 Rbailey ¤
21.3 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
14.3 Aquilius
13.3 Rod Filan
10.9 richard B
10.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.7 matte_kudasai
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L 12hours waiting
4.7 dpolglaze No waiting
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 AROTH
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 Albatros_Ace
1.0 airplane176
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 Rexee
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

[matte_kudasai]

Originally Posted by richard B

Btw what is the Grosz book you are refering to ?

It's Windsock Datafile 102, Aviatik B-types.

[richard B]

Thank you .