Breguet's crash files challenge #337

richard B · 18 November 2008, 03:41 AM

Hello

Ein sehr leicht dieses mahl /A very easy one/trop facile cette fois

Beware ,you must tell us the very apparent difference between this one and its brothers.

Scoreboard at the end of #336:

35.80 FOKKERJ

34.40 Froggy
28.60 Rbailey
22.00 Breguet
19.30 Flamingo
17.15 YavorD
15.60 Richard B

09.75 Aquilius
09.25 AROTH
08.70 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.00 matte_kudasai
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian ................................Have to wait three hours!
04.00 Edmond ................................May start immediately!
04.00 Eric
04.00 Laserlloyd
04.00 Patrick
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Albatros_Ace
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 gregorydquist
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 Berman
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

THE RULES

1. All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).

2. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner!

3. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.

4. And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!

5. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.

6. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet.
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Aquilius · 18 November 2008, 04:27 AM

Hmmm, not the time yet...

...but if the "brothers" were flying objects from the 14'-18' period they were visible anyhow????

Richard, please check your picture.

Cheers

Aquilius

richard B · 18 November 2008, 04:51 AM

Was a cellon covered with glass structure ,piloted by the invisible Baron ,plane

Aquilius · 18 November 2008, 07:44 AM

It it the (Zeppelin) VGO.II that crashed in autum 1916 at Paulsgnade next to Mitau, Kurland. Two fellows of the crew Lühr, Lt. Schäfer & Lt. von Buttlar are posing in the gondolas.

The machine can be distiguished mainly from it´s “brothers” by the engine-gondolas, the centre-cockpit window and the radiator installment and the missing code R.9/15 in front of the iron cross

. It was powered by three 240 hp Maybach HS engines.

The VGO.I (R.M.L. 1) had similar gondolas this time, but used rib-type side radiators asides the gondolas and a gravity tank below the top wing.

VGO.III was powered with six Mercedes D.III engines, had divided central cockpits and two windows in the fuselage and again another radiator installment.

Edit:

And to add another "borther-design" from Alexander Baumann:

The Zeppelin-Staaken R.IV (first model built in Gotha) used the same engine arrangement, but two 160 hp Mercedes D.III in the fuselage front and two 220 hp Benz Bz.IV pushers in each gondola. These gondolas were again refined and the pusher-props were 4-bladed (while in the pictures it appears as there were two props mountet cross-wise)
Radiators were mounted high on the front and rear struts. And a high window/door was placed at the first of the divided centre-cockpits.

Also there are a lot more details. I just quoted what would be best visible in this view.

Cheers

Aquilius

FOKKERJ · 18 November 2008, 07:52 AM

It looks an awful lot like it's brother the Zeppelin-Staaken type R.IV, right down to the rounded gondolas and the cellulite window in the forward fuselage side.

HAPPY TRAILS, FOKKERJ

Did I mention the bi-plane tail?

matte_kudasai · 18 November 2008, 07:52 AM

No one answering? Well, I don't know exactly, but gondoles looks exactly as on Zeppelin-Staaken VGO I or II or III. It seems that there is more than two rudders (why you post so small photos?

) - then it's VGO I, and this machine already was in this challenge (but another crash landing), posted by me

matte_kudasai · 18 November 2008, 07:56 AM

I'm late again...

richard B · 18 November 2008, 08:03 AM

Aquilius is right
Another difference with the V.G.O I is the central fin ,clearly apparent here .

I tried to post bigger photos ,but failed .Maybe posting pdf ?

Well ,Aquilius ,we are waiting now for the #338

Scoreboard at the end of #337:

35.80 FOKKERJ

34.40 Froggy
28.60 Rbailey
22.00 Breguet
19.30 Flamingo
17.15 YavorD
15.60 Richard B

10.75 Aquilius
09.25 AROTH
08.70 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.00 matte_kudasai
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian ................................Have to wait three hours!
04.00 Edmond ................................May start immediately!
04.00 Eric
04.00 Laserlloyd
04.00 Patrick
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Albatros_Ace
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 gregorydquist
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 Berman
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.10 SCMc

Aquilius · 18 November 2008, 08:19 AM

Thanks a lot!

took a while for me to jump over the 10th mark...

Richard, do you have a service exit date of the VGO.II?

Due to my notes this crash doesn´t marked the end of it´s career.
It was flown somewhen until 1917, if I´m right?

...next challenge is coming up soon!

Cheers

Aquilius

richard B · 18 November 2008, 08:43 AM

HelloAquilius

After little repair it flew again .
Later trials were done with a 105mm cannon firing VERTICALY !(Neuber proposal) on 19 oct 1916 .
Then it was relegated to training duties at Döberitz where many future R-Planes crews trained ,untill its end in the summer 1917 ,when it crashed and broke its back ,without catching fire .

From Haddow & Grosz "German Giants" Putnam 1969 .