Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge # 504

[Dave_Kent]

Hello:

Sorry for the delay. Something accessible I think.

Dave


The scoreboard at the start of #504:

94.20 Varese2002**
64.40 Dave_Kent **
52.90 Rbailey **
30.30 Cruze**
17.50 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
14.30 Aquilius
13.30 Rod Filan
10.90 richard B
10.60 Flamingo
08.50 matte_kudasai
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.40 JohnMacG
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Doc
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L 12hours waiting
04.70 dpolglaze No waiting
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
02.50 Gregoire
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 AROTH
02.00 sobrien
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Albatros_Ace
01.00 airplane176
01.00 austin08
01.00 Brad
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 SL DIII
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 Nieuport14
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 albapfalzd3
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous: : Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The rules :

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Aquilius]

This compact design with inward leaning inner struts is the Descamps 27,
A french fighter design with 300 hp Hispano-Suiza engine that reminds a little of some late developements of Louis Becherau. Extraordinary was its forward swept lower wing that should provide a better downward view for the pilot.
I have noted the machine to be first flown in 1919. It was inferior to the Nieuport 29 and therefore not accepted by the “Armee de l’Air”. It remained an “only child”.


Cheers

Aquilius

[richard B]

This time ,it will be hot :
I see Rbailey and Varese flying over in the sun :
but let try

It's the french " DESCAMPS 27 "

The nose ,spinner, and forward swept lower wing giving those curious struts arrangements are my clues

[Rbailey]

French Descamps 27 C1 of 1918-19. Distinguished by the reverse tape lower wing, not shown clearly in the photo, but the unusual strut alignment resulting from it is. Also, the large spinner.

[richard B]

Damn ,Aquilius was hidden in a cloud .

[Varese2002]

I prepared this blurb about the Challenge machine, but could not post as I was busy at work with an emergency session But I liked the machine, so here it is, no points of couyrse, but just the fun.

This is the unique Descamps C 1 single seat fighter which appeared in September 1918. It was not taken in production in 1919 as the Nieuport Ni.29 was preferred. On the fin of this picture (too small to read in this picture) is the inscription Avion Descamps Type No. 27. This picture gives the original form of the Descamps fighter, with long exhausts along the fuselage. It was later modified with Lamblin radiators at the side of the fuselage. The machine can be easily deduced by the rotund and streamlined appearance inclusive of a big propeller cone. Power was by a 300 hp Hispano-Suiza. The career of the designer Elisée Alfred Descamps is relatively unknown, but he worked pre-1914 in Germany, after which he went to Russia (Anatra firm), returning to France after the 1917 Revolution. Cheers Kees

Cheers

Kees

[Dave_Kent]

Excellent answers all, but as there is only 1 point to award it must go to Aquilius.

Over to you.

Dave


The scoreboard at the end of #504:

94.20 Varese2002**
64.40 Dave_Kent **
52.90 Rbailey **
30.30 Cruze**
17.50 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
15.30 Aquilius
13.30 Rod Filan
10.90 richard B
10.60 Flamingo
08.50 matte_kudasai
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.40 JohnMacG
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Doc
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L 12hours waiting
04.70 dpolglaze No waiting
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
02.50 Gregoire
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 AROTH
02.00 sobrien
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Albatros_Ace
01.00 airplane176
01.00 austin08
01.00 Brad
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 SL DIII
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 Nieuport14
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 albapfalzd3
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous: : Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The rules :

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.