Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge # 506

[Rbailey]

This has not been posted before. The frontal view isn't very diagnostic anyhow, but it is another picture on the web; just not easy to find if you don't know where to look. The small view is quite identifiable if you have something to compare it to. Incidentally, it does not represent a new nationality.

[Brad]

So it is absolutely, positively not a Brock monoplane?

[Rbailey]

I doubt very much if the designer/builder/pilot of this monoplane knew anything about Brock.

[cruze]

Hello

It took hours to find it but with all the hints you gave us...

it's the Argentinian Virgilio Mira "Golondina" designed by Virgilio Carlos Mira d'Ercole.
See here

According to this other webpage the plane of the challenge is the second plane designed by Virgilio Carlos Mira, so the "Golondina II"

Laurent

[Rbailey]

Good work Cruz. You even found a better version of the picture I posted. It is the Golondina (Swallow) II of Virgilio Mira (also called "Loco" Mira) who flew it in exhibitions and aerobatics from 1916 to 1922, when he replaced it with the Golondina III.

Your turn.

P.S. - I forgot Breguet's rule about having to describe at least one identifying feature. I guess providing reference to a picture qualifies since a picture is worth a thousand words.


So the scoreboard after 506 is:

94.20 Varese2002 ☼
64.40 Dave_Kent ☼
53.90 Rbailey ☼
31.30 Cruze ☼
17.50 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
15.30 Aquilius
13.30 Rod Filan
10.90 richard B
10.60 Flamingo
08.50 matte_kudasai
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.40 JohnMacG
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Doc
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L 12hours waiting
04.70 dpolglaze No waiting
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
02.50 Gregoire
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 AROTH
02.00 sobrien
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Albatros_Ace
01.00 austin08
01.00 Brad
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 SL DIII
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd3
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous challenges: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 - Breguet's Aircraft Challenge --

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The rules :

•The thread title must be "Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[SCMc]

Hi RBailey,

In previous challenges Breguet has not allowed reference to a photo as a qualifying characteristic. With this machine Laurent should easily be able to provide an identifying characteristic to complete his victory.

Steve

[cruze]

Hello

Originally Posted by SCMc

In previous challenges Breguet has not allowed reference to a photo as a qualifying characteristic. With this machine Laurent should easily be able to provide an identifying characteristic to complete his victory.

You are right Steve.
The only characteristic that I used is that it's a monoplane. The rotary engine didn't realy help, neither the tail or landing gear.

In fact we were looking for a latin american built monoplane (but not mexican) wich flew from 1916 to 1922. The nationality of the challenge wasn't new, so we had to search in Bolivia, Salvador, Peru, Chili and Argentina (but not a Castaibert).
A systematic search and a lot of luck ...

Laurent

[Rbailey]

Breguet can interpret his rule; but if it is "what is a characteristic that can be used to distinguish this machine from n others", monoplane may not be adequate, but if it is "what is a characteristic that can be used to distinguish this machine from n other South American machines, none of them Castaiberts", maybe it is. After all, the identification is usually made by matching up these characteristics with possibles, and if the range of possibles is small, your characteristics can be pretty broad.

[SCMc]

I did not mean to hold things up here. Laurent has clearly identified the plane, and I would think that he could go on with the next challenge.

Steve

Edit: I see that he already did while I was posting this.