Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #512

[matte_kudasai]

The scoreboard at the end of #511 is:

95.50 Varese2002 ☼
64.40 Dave_Kent ☼
54.90 Rbailey ☼
31.30 Cruze ☼
17.50 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
15.30 Aquilius
13.30 Rod Filan
11.90 richard B
10.60 Flamingo
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.40 JohnMacG
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Doc
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L 12hours waiting
04.70 dpolglaze No waiting
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
02.50 Gregoire
02.10 Crankcase
02.70 AROTH
02.00 sobrien
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Albatros_Ace
01.00 austin08
01.00 Brad
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 SL DIII
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
0.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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The rules :

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Rbailey]

Siemens-Schuckert "Bulldog", rotary engine version.

[YavorD]

Siemens Bulldogge, version with a Siemens Halske Sh 1 rotary engine.
Version with inline water-cooled engine appeared in Challenge # 424.
Engine cowling is a Siemens trademark. Deep fuselage is another recognition feature.
Regards,
Yavor

[Brad]

COOL! How many of those were there? I've LONG been tempted to build a replica of the Siemens-Schuckert EI.

[Brad]

COOL! How many of those were there? I've LONG been tempted to build a replica of the Siemens-Schuckert EI.

[matte_kudasai]

We need a Breguet's decision. Rbailey was first, but...

•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.

[SCMc]

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[SCMc]

Hi matte_kudasai,

"The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet," but I think you have already answered your own question with:

"To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification"

Steve

[Varese2002]

I am of the opinion that #512 of the Breguet Challenge violates one of the rules

•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)

In Breguet Challenge #424 the Mercedes engined version was pictured and identified, but much text was written there about this Siemens Halske Sh I rotary engine version.

Probably the rules must be (again) more specified as what defines a machine. Makes a new Mark or engine or substitution of a four-bladed airscrew for a two-blader another machine. In short when is the above rule violated?

The Siemens Halske Sh I was an interesting rotary engine. In German language it was known as a 'Gegenläufer', I know what they mean in German but I cannot translate the technical terms in English though.

Cheers

Kees

[matte_kudasai]

I admit that I missed Challenge # 424 when posted this Challenge.
Will wait for Breguet...

By the way, maybe list of challenges needs to be rearranged - I think it was not a good idea to divide it on different pages - too easy to miss something...